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First post, by dukeofurl

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I'm a big fan of rectangular horizontal cases. Its the quintessential computer look to me to have a beige horizontal case with a crt monitor on top of it. I love booting up the superscape benchmark and seeing the computer doing misty flips. I might actually have some kind of addiction to PCs with this look 😀

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I've been trying to pinpoint what might have been some of the last PCs/cases that were in this style (they need not actually fit an AT-style motherboard for purposes of this thread, really just thinking about large beige horizontal cases that you could stick a crt on). This style had its heyday in the 80s with the initial IBM PCs and the style seems to have influenced clone systems of the era well into the first half of the 90s.

Post 1995, it seemed to me this style was becoming antiquated. Towers seemed to take over as the predominant case-style, and while you still had some horizontal desktops, designers seemed to be trying to take things in a new direction with black plastic and other stylistic changes.

There were still plenty of examples of beige horizontal desktops in the pentium I and II eras. The Pentium III generation seems to be the last hurrah for cases that loosely follow the standard. There weren't many of them, and I'm kinda stretching the concept of a beige AT-style desktop for some of these, but a couple examples come to mind:
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Once you get a few years later, post millennium and into the Pentium 4 era, I can find basically no examples of horizontal beige cases! But I was recently gratified to learn that the IBM Netvista (~2000-2004) could be bought in a white/beige case in the horizontal format. So at least there is one... which means it could be possible for me to have a beige horizontal desktop for the Windows XP era 😀
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The netvista seems to be the last horizontal beige case design I can find that harkins back to that classic beige AT-style look. I haven't even really come across any contemporaries to this PC in the P4 era that had similar beige cases, much less ones from later eras... Certainly there have been horizontal desktop cases made since 2004, including the IBM Thinkcenter that succeeded the Netvista... but they all fit a new paradigm that seems to have lasted until the modern day, usually being low profile and black, perhaps without a full 5.25 drive bay, perhaps marketed as a tower if it could be stood on its side... something along the lines of this: 61QFmEpkc2L.jpg

But I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy window shopping on the net and looking at pictures, so I'm curious if anyone has some other examples of post 2000 case designs that seem to harkin back to or be reminiscent of the 80s/90s horizontal beige desktop look? And for what its worth, I'm excluding the modern Silverstone case that recently came out that was designed to look like a beige box. silverstone-flp01-retro-pc-case-in-japan-550x309.jpg

Last edited by dukeofurl on 2025-05-15, 19:26. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 7, by jakethompson1

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dukeofurl wrote on 2025-05-15, 19:22:

The netvista seems to be the last horizontal beige case design I can find that harkins back to that classic beige AT-style look. I haven't even really come across any contemporaries to this PC in the P4 era that had similar beige cases, much less ones from later eras...

HP Vectra VL420... looks like the HP/Compaq merger was the end of horizontal beige at HP

Reply 2 of 7, by Big Pink

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I love these too. Never really been a fan of towers. The great thing about horizontal cases from a hoarder's perspective is that they can almost always be stored neatly in a 19" rack.

I think the reason these died out, and towers took over, is thermals - which also partly prompted the initial ATX spec. Letting the air naturally rise off expansion cards took a backseat to getting heat out of the CPU heatsink as quickly as possible. And it only got worse as the years went on which is why they pretty much go extinct in the P4 era and only survived in the HTPC realm due to the latter's focus on running cool and quietly. I have my daily driver in a Cooler Master ATC-620 which is perfectly fine for my pedestrian use, though I imagine if I ever tried to do compute anything particularly demanding (loading a modern website with JavaScript enabled) it might become an issue.

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Reply 3 of 7, by Aui

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Same here - I am still waiting for a new AT - case to be made:

Newly made Retro styled AT/Baby AT Case

There have been several great discussions regarding the "right" beige box design:

Why have PC designs always been so crude ?
Why I don't like modern, post-AT PC cases. I've finally figured it out

The undisputedly greates case ever made is here 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KR9f7_BKp3c

Some late ones from Compaq, Dell and Hitachi attached

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Reply 4 of 7, by Jo22

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Big Pink wrote on 2025-05-15, 19:52:

I love these too. Never really been a fan of towers.
The great thing about horizontal cases from a hoarder's perspective is that they can almost always be stored neatly in a 19" rack.

The other way round is also a possibility.
19" rack computer chassis can be used as desktop chassis, as well.

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Btw, this reminds me of CB radios. The ancient base stations, more precisely.
Models like the Grundig CBH 2000 had two handles and could be mounted in a rack, too.

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Musical devices such as MIDI expanders were made in 19" rack form, too.

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Once you get a few years later, post millennium and into the Pentium 4 era, I can find basically no examples of horizontal beige cases!

Understandably, I think.
By that time, 14" and 15" CRT monitors were out of fashion.
Putting a 17" or 19" monitor on a small desktop chassis looks weird.

That's as weird looking as a tiny 12" MDA compatible monitor on top of a big PC/AT Model 5170.
Mean voices described those monitors as sticking out like a wart.
Especially makers of elegant all-in-one systems found this to be funny.

Edit: Here's a more positive example of an IBM/AT with a monitor.
It's an 12 to 14" VGA monitor from late 80s (PS/2 series).

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Reply 5 of 7, by chinny22

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I always found the LPX "pizza box" dimensions attractive. At the time it limited upgrade options typically with optical and hard drives using the same space but now with smaller options like CF/SD cards that hardly matters.

I also really liked these Dell P3 "SFF's" which were about the same size as a LPX but even when they were new they felt retro with the rounded top, and this was before retro computers were a thing!
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But desktops that are tall enough that standard I/O cards fit vertically always seemed fat. I don't dislike them, and much easier to upgrade but just don't look as nice IMHO

Reply 6 of 7, by dukeofurl

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Jo22 wrote on 2025-05-16, 04:32:
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Once you get a few years later, post millennium and into the Pentium 4 era, I can find basically no examples of horizontal beige cases!

Understandably, I think.
By that time, 14" and 15" CRT monitors were out of fashion.
Putting a 17" or 19" monitor on a small desktop chassis looks weird.

Heh I hadn't thought of that, the desire to have larger screens but not necessarily larger desktop cases... Aesthetically, it seems more pleasing if the monitor, including the casing, is slightly less wide than the horizontal desktop. This is in line with classical architectural principles where as a structure gets higher, you may want to make it narrower to increase stability (e.g., Egyptian pyramids, Eiffel tower, certain skyscrapers). I agree having the monitor be the exact same width as the desktop or WIDER than the desktop case looks awkward and even slightly unstable. On the other hand, having the monitor be too small (like the example of a 12" monitor on a full size IBM AT) is awkward as well. I wonder what the perfect proportion is for this look now 😉 Maybe my ~1995 Gateway 2000 OEM system is a rough guide, since Gateway took some time and effort to give their products particular designs and sold matching monitors with their PCs... The monitor for the system is about 14" wide including the plastic surrounding the screen, and the case of the related desktop system is 17" wide, so at 14/17, the monitor is roughly 82% the width of the PC. That's an appealing look to me.

Reply 7 of 7, by gerry

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I used to have a few of these many years ago, i think i let them go and somewhat regret that now - they are icons of their era

there is something about it, like crt oscilloscopes and other benchtop tools, that just take me back!

Those Dell and Compaq examples were so common in offices back then too

What i do remember though is that some were difficult to work with, having to take everything out to work on the motherboard (a bit like modern car engines!) while others had easy open / slide / elevate designs making it quick to access different components