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Reply 60 of 96, by shevalier

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The difference in power consumption is three time.
And there is a ten-year gap between them.
High Midrange C775 2010 versus Extra Lowend 2020

PS. On the previous page, testing the processor and RAM.
Only 5 attachments are allowed, but there are six screenshots 😀
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The processors are identical, but the RAM has higher bandwidth in Celeron.

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Reply 61 of 96, by theelf

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Mondodimotori wrote on 2025-11-20, 17:42:
Pretty sure you don't need to be a target specifically (like it could be for Linux or MacOS). Those OSs had plenty of vulnerabil […]
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theelf wrote on 2025-11-20, 14:44:

technically is opposite, we (2k-XP) users are not a target for anything anymore, win10-11,android 5.x+ or macos 10.x are the targets

The only problem in XP is lack of some modern versions of some software, for example, Im a freelance worker, and every 3 months i need to do taxes online, and always have some problem, because government update something and need or new java or the software need some NT6+ functions etc.

In general biggest problem is java for me, always need to do some dll patching or something weird to do my taxes jaja but until 2025 still do everything in XP, bank and taxes online. Maybe 2026 not if they move to a much higher java version

Pretty sure you don't need to be a target specifically (like it could be for Linux or MacOS).
Those OSs had plenty of vulnerabilities, and I doubt that everyone stopped using those to gain malicious access and gather sensitive information.

Unless you have a strong hardware firewall on your modem, you are at high risk.
This not counting hardware vulnerabilities that won't ever be fixed on such old hardware.

Now, I know someone may not like certain OSs, but... You can do those sensitive thing on the latest Linux distro available. You probably won't even need to get new hardware, since it's extremely lightweight, just a second partition for sensitive tasks that could be interesting for a data breach.
At least you would be covered from software vulnerabilities with that.

Hello, for many years I worked in computer security on servers. I still do it, but not so often now. Currently I work setting up medical events, where we also need security on the data servers because many companies have protected content. And even after many years working in this, I still cannot really understand when people say that a system is full of vulnerabilities. For me, at user level, it is difficult to understand.

Just one example: in a small company from my town, where I had not worked for at least 10 years, they called me last year very desperate, because they had a virus that encrypted everything and was asking for a ransom. As they did not know how to solve it, they remembered that I was the technician there and asked me if I could help. I went, and yes, all the Windows 10 PCs and the server with Windows Server 2016 or 2019, I do not remember exactly, were also completely encrypted.
I remembered that I had left an old PC with Windows XP that made a local copy of the server every Sunday, and surprisingly, after 10 years, it was still there doing its job, and we managed to save the company with very small data loss, because that XP was the only computer not infected.

So I am sorry, but I still cannot understand very well the average user talking about vulnerabilities, and with everange user im not talking about you, im talking in a generic way

shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 08:06:

The difference in power consumption is three time.
And there is a ten-year gap between them.
High Midrange C775 2010 versus Extra Lowend 2020

Socket 775 is sexy maybe

I like 775 because still can use pentium 4, is like a gap from old and new era, and like to maximize as much i can

Reply 62 of 96, by shevalier

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 09:51:

So I am sorry, but I still cannot understand very well the average user talking about vulnerabilities, and with everange user im not talking about you, im talking in a generic way

IP6 never came into our lives, and IP4 addresses ran out long ago.
As a result, most users are behind double NAT — their own router and their Internet service provider.
Therefore, direct attacks on open ports of outdated operating systems are unlikely. (Of course, if your provider uses port isolation with VLAN)

Currently, viruses spread mainly through scripts on hacked websites - the script breaks through the browser's sandbox virtual machine and downloads some kind of payload.
To counter them, you need a good modern browser that requires a fresh operating system.
Not some unknown Chromium adaptation compiled by unknown anonymous people.
However, if the user decides to install, run or visit something, no antivirus can prevent them from doing so.

PS. I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about Windows 10, and Windows 11 is beyond good and evil.
Nevertheless, new software for accessing the Internet is vital.
It seems it's time to switch to Debian with LXQt. 😀

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Reply 63 of 96, by theelf

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shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 10:11:
IP6 never came into our lives, and IP4 addresses ran out long ago. As a result, most users are behind double NAT — their own rou […]
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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 09:51:

So I am sorry, but I still cannot understand very well the average user talking about vulnerabilities, and with everange user im not talking about you, im talking in a generic way

IP6 never came into our lives, and IP4 addresses ran out long ago.
As a result, most users are behind double NAT — their own router and their Internet service provider.
Therefore, direct attacks on open ports of outdated operating systems are unlikely. (Of course, if your provider uses port isolation with VLAN)

Currently, viruses spread mainly through scripts on hacked websites - the script breaks through the browser's sandbox virtual machine and downloads some kind of payload.
To counter them, you need a good modern browser that requires a fresh operating system.
Not some unknown Chromium adaptation compiled by unknown anonymous people.
However, if the user decides to install, run or visit something, no antivirus can prevent them from doing so.

PS. I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about Windows 10, and Windows 11 is beyond good and evil.
Nevertheless, new software for accessing the Internet is vital.
It seems it's time to switch to Debian with LXQt. 😀

if i need to trust, i trust more on win32ss supermium chromium than google chrome one to be true

Reply 64 of 96, by Falcosoft

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:02:

if i need to trust, i trust more on win32ss supermium chromium than google chrome one to be true

The same for me. Supermium is much more transparent than anything from Google...

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Reply 65 of 96, by shevalier

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Falcosoft wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:17:
theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:02:

if i need to trust, i trust more on win32ss supermium chromium than google chrome one to be true

The same for me. Supermium is much more transparent than anything from Google...

I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especially on Android))))))))))))
PS The war between Google YouTube and Adblock continues.
Okay, today I'll sit without videos.

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Reply 66 of 96, by theelf

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shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 13:50:
I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especiall […]
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Falcosoft wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:17:
theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:02:

if i need to trust, i trust more on win32ss supermium chromium than google chrome one to be true

The same for me. Supermium is much more transparent than anything from Google...

I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especially on Android))))))))))))
PS The war between Google YouTube and Adblock continues.
Okay, today I'll sit without videos.

ahhh really wish i can use firefox, i dont like chromium, but in XP no choise, chromium or nothing at least for now

Funny thing, i have a thinkpad x390 laptop, installed macos ventura on it, and in osx firefox drain the battery compared to chromium or safari, have high cpu use, and i cant use because of this. Sad!! no firefox for me in desktop or laptop

Reply 67 of 96, by shevalier

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 14:26:
shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 13:50:
I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especiall […]
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Falcosoft wrote on 2025-11-21, 11:17:

The same for me. Supermium is much more transparent than anything from Google...

I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especially on Android))))))))))))
PS The war between Google YouTube and Adblock continues.
Okay, today I'll sit without videos.

ahhh really wish i can use firefox, i dont like chromium, but in XP no choise, chromium or nothing at least for now

Funny thing, i have a thinkpad x390 laptop, installed macos ventura on it, and in osx firefox drain the battery compared to chromium or safari, have high cpu use, and i cant use because of this. Sad!! no firefox for me in desktop or laptop

/ full offtopic
So, sorry, I understand perfectly well that the Internet is financed by advertising.
But a browser that doesn't work with Adblock is not for me.

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Reply 68 of 96, by theelf

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shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 16:16:
/ full offtopic I don't think I have any special or specific needs. I would agree with the highly questionable but understandabl […]
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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 14:26:
shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 13:50:

I'm not a big fan of anything Google releases (especially Android, but there's no choice here), so I only use Firefox (especially on Android))))))))))))
PS The war between Google YouTube and Adblock continues.
Okay, today I'll sit without videos.

ahhh really wish i can use firefox, i dont like chromium, but in XP no choise, chromium or nothing at least for now

Funny thing, i have a thinkpad x390 laptop, installed macos ventura on it, and in osx firefox drain the battery compared to chromium or safari, have high cpu use, and i cant use because of this. Sad!! no firefox for me in desktop or laptop

/ full offtopic
I don't think I have any special or specific needs.
I would agree with the highly questionable but understandable logic of the advertisement
- Watch the launch of SpaceShip - Musk had intercourse with Amber Heard - purchase a ticket to see Pirates of the Caribbean (Johnny Depp is very good in the role of Captain Jack Sparrow)

But advertising level
-Launch Starship - Flat Earth - Nigerian travel agency raises money for trip to Mars (Enter your card number and CVV)
or
-Repairing Voodoo 3 - buy ASUS ROG Astral GeForce RTX™ 5090

So, sorry, I understand perfectly well that the Internet is financed by advertising.
But a browser that doesn't work with Adblock is not for me.

In chromium I use ublock origin, fantastic

Reply 69 of 96, by shevalier

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 17:35:
shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 16:16:
/ full offtopic I don't think I have any special or specific needs. I would agree with the highly questionable but understandabl […]
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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 14:26:

ahhh really wish i can use firefox, i dont like chromium, but in XP no choise, chromium or nothing at least for now

Funny thing, i have a thinkpad x390 laptop, installed macos ventura on it, and in osx firefox drain the battery compared to chromium or safari, have high cpu use, and i cant use because of this. Sad!! no firefox for me in desktop or laptop

/ full offtopic
I don't think I have any special or specific needs.
I would agree with the highly questionable but understandable logic of the advertisement
- Watch the launch of SpaceShip - Musk had intercourse with Amber Heard - purchase a ticket to see Pirates of the Caribbean (Johnny Depp is very good in the role of Captain Jack Sparrow)

But advertising level
-Launch Starship - Flat Earth - Nigerian travel agency raises money for trip to Mars (Enter your card number and CVV)
or
-Repairing Voodoo 3 - buy ASUS ROG Astral GeForce RTX™ 5090

So, sorry, I understand perfectly well that the Internet is financed by advertising.
But a browser that doesn't work with Adblock is not for me.

In chromium I use ublock origin, fantastic

+ Ghostery +Privacy Badger

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Reply 70 of 96, by Mondodimotori

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 09:51:
Hello, for many years I worked in computer security on servers. I still do it, but not so often now. Currently I work setting up […]
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Hello, for many years I worked in computer security on servers. I still do it, but not so often now. Currently I work setting up medical events, where we also need security on the data servers because many companies have protected content. And even after many years working in this, I still cannot really understand when people say that a system is full of vulnerabilities. For me, at user level, it is difficult to understand.

Just one example: in a small company from my town, where I had not worked for at least 10 years, they called me last year very desperate, because they had a virus that encrypted everything and was asking for a ransom. As they did not know how to solve it, they remembered that I was the technician there and asked me if I could help. I went, and yes, all the Windows 10 PCs and the server with Windows Server 2016 or 2019, I do not remember exactly, were also completely encrypted.
I remembered that I had left an old PC with Windows XP that made a local copy of the server every Sunday, and surprisingly, after 10 years, it was still there doing its job, and we managed to save the company with very small data loss, because that XP was the only computer not infected.

So I am sorry, but I still cannot understand very well the average user talking about vulnerabilities, and with everange user im not talking about you, im talking in a generic way

Pretty sure that's because that XP machine wasn't connected constantly to the network. That's why the virus didn't infect it.

But yeah, you do you. It appears you know more about this than me.
But I still won't do any sensitive things on an out of date machine connected to the internet.

Reply 71 of 96, by Halofiber86

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Hi good people! I've ordered the E8400 and the motherboard today (the E8400 has to be decently packed and travel a long way, the motherboard has to be transferred from the warehouse to the store, expected within a day or so). The 4GD DDR3 1333 was sold out, so I've included the 2GD DDR2 800 that was actually available for starters (since it's not what I've initially planned, I've figured 2Gb will do for initial test, if positive then they have many Patriots of the same type, little chance that someone will purchase them all). Also some basic 95W cooler and a dull 350W power source but WITH THE FLOPPY PIN). I remember that Mr. Shevalier has 350W, and I currently have a 350W, we're talking a motherboard, 65W E8400, 2Gb 800 MHz RAM and an ex-laptop SATA or IDE. The motherboard has a built-in Intel X4500 with VGA out. Someone on YouTube posted a video runing Max Payne at 8FPS with X4500 like this, so I've decided to give it a try before investing in the 710. After all, it is supposed to be just a software test) I have to find time for combining all together & testing, will report more when I have anything. Thank you very much indeed everybody for your kind advice!

Reply 72 of 96, by theelf

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Mondodimotori wrote on 2025-11-22, 23:46:
Pretty sure that's because that XP machine wasn't connected constantly to the network. That's why the virus didn't infect it. […]
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theelf wrote on 2025-11-21, 09:51:
Hello, for many years I worked in computer security on servers. I still do it, but not so often now. Currently I work setting up […]
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Hello, for many years I worked in computer security on servers. I still do it, but not so often now. Currently I work setting up medical events, where we also need security on the data servers because many companies have protected content. And even after many years working in this, I still cannot really understand when people say that a system is full of vulnerabilities. For me, at user level, it is difficult to understand.

Just one example: in a small company from my town, where I had not worked for at least 10 years, they called me last year very desperate, because they had a virus that encrypted everything and was asking for a ransom. As they did not know how to solve it, they remembered that I was the technician there and asked me if I could help. I went, and yes, all the Windows 10 PCs and the server with Windows Server 2016 or 2019, I do not remember exactly, were also completely encrypted.
I remembered that I had left an old PC with Windows XP that made a local copy of the server every Sunday, and surprisingly, after 10 years, it was still there doing its job, and we managed to save the company with very small data loss, because that XP was the only computer not infected.

So I am sorry, but I still cannot understand very well the average user talking about vulnerabilities, and with everange user im not talking about you, im talking in a generic way

Pretty sure that's because that XP machine wasn't connected constantly to the network. That's why the virus didn't infect it.

But yeah, you do you. It appears you know more about this than me.
But I still won't do any sensitive things on an out of date machine connected to the internet.

The XP PC was on the network, then open to internet like others. The "problem" was the ramson failed to execute on XP because some bcrypt api that is NT6+ only. I dont remember the name of ramson, djvu maybe? was last year i forget

Halofiber86 wrote on 2025-11-23, 20:51:

Hi good people! I've ordered the E8400 and the motherboard today (the E8400 has to be decently packed and travel a long way, the motherboard has to be transferred from the warehouse to the store, expected within a day or so). The 4GD DDR3 1333 was sold out, so I've included the 2GD DDR2 800 that was actually available for starters (since it's not what I've initially planned, I've figured 2Gb will do for initial test, if positive then they have many Patriots of the same type, little chance that someone will purchase them all). Also some basic 95W cooler and a dull 350W power source but WITH THE FLOPPY PIN). I remember that Mr. Shevalier has 350W, and I currently have a 350W, we're talking a motherboard, 65W E8400, 2Gb 800 MHz RAM and an ex-laptop SATA or IDE. The motherboard has a built-in Intel X4500 with VGA out. Someone on YouTube posted a video runing Max Payne at 8FPS with X4500 like this, so I've decided to give it a try before investing in the 710. After all, it is supposed to be just a software test) I have to find time for combining all together & testing, will report more when I have anything. Thank you very much indeed everybody for your kind advice!

Nice CPU i had long time ago, if i dont remember bad was 2 or more revisions, last one can overclock better without much higher voltage, i had this one, and with a stock cooler, i reach near 4ghz, was super nice. I use for some time after change to a cheap 771 Xeon

Reply 73 of 96, by SPBHM

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shevalier wrote on 2025-11-21, 08:01:
Is it worth using LGA775 now? Everyone decides for themselves. Quick comparison Xeon L5420, 8GB DDR3, SATA2 SSD(IDE), Windows 10 […]
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Is it worth using LGA775 now?
Everyone decides for themselves.
Quick comparison
Xeon L5420, 8GB DDR3, SATA2 SSD(IDE), Windows 10 22H2 ~100Watt
Celeron J3455M, 8GB DDR3, SATA3 SSD (AHCHI), Windows 11 25H2, fastboot, UEFI, secureboot, TPM2 ~ 30Watt ("Sport" mode)

probably not, but I wouldn't replace it with the celeron you mentioned because in general it doesn't offer similar expansion, like PCIEs and so on, and the sustained performance at that power is not that great, c2d can go higher and offer more flexibility.

I think what makes 775 a bit pointless is how cheap lga 1155 is today, lots of cheap Sandy Bridge i3s, i5s, and in general those are much nicer than any Core 2.

Reply 74 of 96, by shevalier

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SPBHM wrote on 2025-11-24, 15:30:

I think what makes 775 a bit pointless is how cheap lga 1155 is today, lots of cheap Sandy Bridge i3s, i5s, and in general those are much nicer than any Core 2.

Fully agree .

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Reply 75 of 96, by theelf

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One good think about 775 is that is very easy to find boards with floppy and ide, and in 1155 is very difficult

For me a PC with real floppy (no usb) is a must

Reply 76 of 96, by The Serpent Rider

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Plenty of LGA1366 and LGA1156 with floppy and pata.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 77 of 96, by theelf

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2025-11-24, 19:14:

Plenty of LGA1366 and LGA1156 with floppy and pata.

1366 is expensive, 1156 i dont see much more than 1155, normally are the gigabyte ones that have floppy connector

Reply 78 of 96, by cyclone3d

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Whatever you do, please use a cooler with the non-stock style mounting. The coolers with the push-pins will warp the motherboard very badly (huge bulge) after a while.

That and the stock Intel coolers are absolute trash and have been for the past many decades.

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Reply 79 of 96, by shevalier

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theelf wrote on 2025-11-24, 19:52:
The Serpent Rider wrote on 2025-11-24, 19:14:

Plenty of LGA1366 and LGA1156 with floppy and pata.

1366 is expensive, 1156 i dont see much more than 1155, normally are the gigabyte ones that have floppy connector

A more versatile option would be AM3+ with Vishera FX83x0E (E-Eco, 95W TDP).
It has everything from a floppy to Windows 11 25H2 compatibility (though, unfortunately, without TPM).
Among the advantages are an unlocked multiplier in both directions and the ability to disable cores.
You can emulate the performance of everyone's favorite Pentium 3 Tualatin.

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