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First post, by DosFreak

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https://m.slashdot.org/story/449981

Over on Reddit, according to a new Wired story by Kat Tenbarge, moderators of certain subreddits are complaining about AI posts ruining their online communities. It's not new to observe that AI-armed spammers post low-value engagement bait on social media, but these are spaces like r/AmItheAsshole, r/AmIOverreacting, and r/AmITheDevil, where visitors crave the scintillation or outright titillation of bona fide human misbehavior. If, behind the scenes, there's not really a grieving college student having her tuition cut off for randomly flying off the handle at her stepmom, there's no real fun to be had. The mods in the Wired story explain how they detect AI content, and unfortunately their methods boil down to "It's vibes." But one novel struggle in the war against slop, the mods say, is that not only are human-written posts sometimes rewritten by AI, but mods are concerned that humans are now writing like AI. Humans are becoming flesh and blood AI-text generators, muddying the waters of AI "detection" to the point of total opacity.

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Reply 1 of 66, by shamino

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Going back a few years ago, I started seeing people use the phrase "in <INSERT YEAR>".
I'm not sure how many people realize that's a spambot phrase. People learned to type the current year into search engines to get more current/relevant articles about some topic, so spambot sites improved their search rank by adding "IN <year>" to all their article titles. Weirdly, real people then actually started writing like that.

Reply 3 of 66, by Joseph_Joestar

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As Nietzsche so eloquently said: "If you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

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Reply 4 of 66, by eddman

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I see people going on open-source projects' discord servers to "help" with fixing bugs, by copy-pasting LLM generated drivel. They actually think the "AI" is writing code. Even after explaining that it doesn't really work the way they think it does, that LLMs just stitch together pieces of code from different places that simply SEEM to go together without actually checking if it works or not (which it can't check anyway), they still somehow have problem understanding it.

EDIT: Just to clarify, these are people with basically no coding knowledge, who think generated code magically fixes everything. A proper coder using LLMs to speed things up is not a problem.

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Reply 5 of 66, by cyclone3d

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Bots have been spamming forums for years now. It just seems to have gone crazy since "AI" has come into the picture.

As far as "AI" being used for useful things, I have found t to be extremely helpful in writing documentation for code as well as helping me with way more rapid development and troubleshooting of existing Powershell scripts.

Yes, it is no where near perfect but I am learning way quicker than fumbling through random posts of really horrid code and posts where people are constantly arguing about what is the correct way to do something and obviously bad code. I especially like the posts I used to run across where people would post... "I haven't tested this, but it should work" followed by obviously non-working code.

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Reply 6 of 66, by BinaryDemon

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I think AI usage might have crossed in to the majority. It's strongly encouraged in most business settings, and I can imagine if someone was going make a long forum or social media post that they might check themselves with AI.

Reply 7 of 66, by Lutsoad

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It's not all bad, insane reddit bubbles and hate subs getting flooded with troll posts is an effective way of keeping them busy with rage bait.
Let them argue among themselves and fight with bots indefinitely.

Reply 8 of 66, by dr_st

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-12-09, 12:32:

As Nietzsche so eloquently said: "If you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

In Soviet Russia, if the abyss gazes long enough into you, you also gaze into the abyss!

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Reply 9 of 66, by ratfink

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I watched a programme about Devo on Netflix recently, I never realised they had any sort of philosophy or meaning behind their name, but De-Evolution seems increasingly applicable to the decreasingly-real world.

Reply 10 of 66, by UCyborg

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I came across Devo due to Interstate '82, which features Modern Life. Supposedly the song originates from early 80s. That aged well, huh?

Not sure about writing, but I remember when I was still in high school about 15 years ago, some classmates had trouble reading.

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Reply 11 of 66, by chinny22

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I guess it was always inevitable.
Remember the late 90's early 2000s when people were complaining about text/sms speak becoming common in other formats.
Then putting # before your subject was a quick and lazy way to title some content you put on other sites other then twitter.

The other annoying thing is I know a few people that will pad out work emails or the like with AI generated text. which is somewhat amusing as on the other end people use AI to summarise the email (so take out the padding)

Reply 12 of 66, by zyzzle

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We're really screwed. Brain rot, compounded by fake info and all of it put into a hodgepodge of little untruths (or hallucinations) here and there will lead eventually to mass acceptance of 100% false information.

Revisionist history doesn't even begin to describe the sense of unreality of the future.

That's why I hang on tightly to my home library of over 10,000 volumes -- all of which were written by real people, most of whom were great scholars who cared about and treaded carefully with their material. There's a reason it used to take 6 months (at least) to get published - proofreaders, fact checkers, professionals who peer-reviewed your book before it was in print. These things matter -- and all have now been chucked out into the abyss like some worthless rubbish. Sad but true in this AI age.

Reply 13 of 66, by vvbee

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So AI is natural enough that the mods have no clue who's writing what and there's no uncanny valley to repulse the users who are instead being influenced by it just like in human communication. You have to start by defining the problem here, then you have to ask whether your definition would count as discrimination if you applied it to humans exclusively. If you say but you're not applying it to humans then you have to refer to your definition that explains why you drew a line where there didn't appear to be one and how the same reasoning can't be used to discriminate against groups of humans by those who want to do it.

Reply 14 of 66, by Ozzuneoj

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-12-09, 12:32:

As Nietzsche so eloquently said: "If you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

My wife and I quote this all the time when suddenly realizing that the cat has her massive black carnivore pupils locked onto us from some strategically-significant place in the house (on top of china cabinet, under a chair, etc.).

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 15 of 66, by StriderTR

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It doesn't help that many people these days use AI "assistants" to alter their own words for one reason or another. Such as making something sound more or less formal, or some other preset, for example. We're getting close to needing AI to detect AI. Even when AI tries to detect AI, it spits out a probability that content MAY be AI. It's not even sure. Problem is, with so called "AI" doing all the work, people wont bother learning the proper way of doing those things.

Bah, I'm just too old to understand this modern world. 😜

I was looking forward to sitting on my porch and yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN!", now I guess I'll just have Alexa do it. 🤣

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Reply 16 of 66, by rmay635703

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I guess I’m a trendsetter, I’ve sounded like an AI for decades, just with misspellings I’m unwilling to correct, especially now that autocorrect is actively fighting me.

Reply 17 of 66, by badmojo

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StriderTR wrote on 2025-12-10, 08:15:

We're getting close to needing AI to detect AI.

They have this in schools and of course it's a bit crap and results in a lot of distressing false positives that means kids have to have an interview to explain their thought process and show the teacher their edit history.

I was helping my daughter with a short story recently and she was avoiding certain phrasing and punctuation because it would flag her work, so she was in effect dumbing down her writing.

A sorry state of affairs.

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Reply 18 of 66, by marxveix

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I have used AI very rearly, i will abandon it, it gives false information and it apologizes if i start to correct it.

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Reply 19 of 66, by Ozzuneoj

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marxveix wrote on 2025-12-11, 20:35:

I have used AI very rearly, i will abandon it, it gives false information and it apologizes if i start to correct it.

Yes, I think the part that bothers me the most about it is the "matter of fact" way that it says things that are untrue... arggh... and how about how it does the "um ackshuwuallllyy......" type of condescending garbage when you are obviously typing SEARCH TERMS INTO A SEARCH ENGINE, NOT A QUESTION???

That is so soooo irritating, and it happens CONSTANTLY when looking up obscure information.

For example... say I am physically holding onto an NV1 card (sound and video on one card) and I'm curious if more things like this exist, OR, I see a picture of such a card and I have no idea what it is. So I search for: pci vga sound combo card

Google's AI answer says:

A "PCI VGA Sound VGA Combo Card" isn't a standard product name, but it refers to older expansion cards for PCs that integrated both VGA graphics (video) and audio (sound) onto a single PCI slot card, common in the late 90s/early 2000s for basic multimedia PCs, especially for retro gaming or industrial systems needing integrated solutions where space or slots were limited. These cards, often by brands like Jaton or Creative, provided basic video (e.g., 8MB, 1280x1024) and sound (like 4-channel AC97) to avoid needing separate cards, though dedicated cards offered better quality.

Okay... well. Let's try different wording. So I search for: sound and video on single pci or isa card

Google's AI answer says:

You generally won't find a single ISA or PCI card that does both video and sound because they are separate functions, but you ca […]
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You generally won't find a
single ISA or PCI card that does both video and sound because they are separate functions, but you can use an ISA sound card for DOS games (like Sound Blaster) and a PCI video card (or AGP/PCIe) in the same PC, often simultaneously, by managing resource conflicts and drivers, especially in Windows 9x era machines where you might have an ISA slot for old games and a PCI/AGP slot for Windows acceleration. For DOS, dedicated ISA cards (or modern ISA-compatible PCI cards with OPL3) are best for authenticity, while PCI cards handle Windows sound better.
Key Differences & Considerations:

ISA (Industry Standard Architecture): Older, slower, ideal for legacy DOS games needing direct hardware access (OPL3 FM synth, Sound Blaster compatibility).
PCI (Peripheral Component Interconnect): Faster, uses drivers, better for Windows 9x/Me for hardware mixing and soundfonts, but can be tricky for native DOS.
Video Cards: Separate function from sound, using AGP or PCIe slots for speed, with some graphics cards even carrying audio (HDMI/DisplayPort).

Common Setups:

Dual Cards (ISA Sound + PCI Video): The classic retro setup. Use an ISA slot for a Sound Blaster (or modern equivalent) for DOS, and a PCI/AGP slot for your Windows graphics card. Works well in Windows 98 with separate drivers for each.
Modern PCI Sound for DOS: Use PCI sound cards with specific chips (like Yamaha YMF724) or modern ISA-compatible PCI cards (e.g., some with CMI8330 or OPL3) that have drivers for DOS emulation.
Onboard Sound + PCI Video: Use motherboard sound for Windows and an ISA card only when booting to pure DOS for specific games

... what are we even talking about??? Funny thing, while I was doing this, it kept changing the wording of its answers without ever being correct. At first it flat out said that such a thing did not exist, then it gave me the answers above.

Here is my follow up search query: what is the nvidia nv1 pci sound video card

The NVIDIA NV1 was NVIDIA's first graphics card (1995), an all-in-one PCI multimedia accelerator integrating 2D/3D graphics (usi […]
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The NVIDIA NV1 was NVIDIA's first graphics card (1995), an all-in-one PCI multimedia accelerator integrating 2D/3D graphics (using unique quadratic rendering like the Sega Saturn), audio (wavetable MIDI, DirectSound), and a Sega-compatible gamepad port, sold as the Diamond Edge 3D; it supported DirectX 1.0 but struggled with modern APIs, using an unusual quad-based rendering that hindered broader adoption but made it a historic, if commercially unsuccessful, debut for Nvidia.
Key Features & Technology:

All-in-One Multimedia: Combined graphics, audio synthesis, and a game port on a single PCI card.
Quadratic Rendering: Used quadrilaterals (quads) for 3D rendering, similar to the Sega Saturn, rather than the triangle-based approach used by most competitors, which made porting Saturn games easier but complicated others.
Audio: Featured hardware wavetable synthesis and DirectSound support.
Game Port: Included a dedicated port for Sega Saturn controllers.
DirectX Support: Supported DirectX 1.0, but later Direct3D drivers were software-based, slow, and buggy.

Why It Was Unique (and Flawed):

Novel Approach: Its use of quadratic textures allowed for smooth curved surfaces but was computationally complex and an industry dead-end compared to triangles.
All-in-One Drawback: While convenient, its integrated nature added cost, and its niche technology struggled as the industry standardized on triangle-based hardware.
Commercial Failure: Despite its innovation, it was a commercial flop, leading NVIDIA to pivot to the successful triangle-based Riva series (like the Riva 128).

In essence, the NV1 was NVIDIA's ambitious, but ultimately unsuccessful, first foray into the consumer graphics market, notable for its unique tech and all-in-one design before the company found mainstream success.

Next, I follow it up with: sound and video on single pci card nv1

The NVIDIA NV1 was the first single PCI card to integrate both video (2D/3D graphics) and sound (32-channel wavetable audio) cap […]
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NVIDIA NV1 was the first single PCI card to integrate both video (2D/3D graphics) and sound (32-channel wavetable audio) capabilities on a single chip. It was released in 1995 and marketed as an all-in-one multimedia solution, primarily in the form of the Diamond Edge 3D card.
Key Features of the NV1 Card

Integrated Multimedia Chip: The NV1 chip was designed as a complete multimedia accelerator, combining 2D and 3D video acceleration with an integrated audio engine.
PCI Interface: The card connected to the computer's motherboard via a standard PCI slot.
Audio Capabilities: It featured a 32-channel, 16-bit, 48 kHz playback-only wavetable audio synthesizer.
Unique 3D Architecture: The NV1 used quadratic texture mapping for its 3D rendering, a different approach from the triangle-based rendering that later became the industry standard with Microsoft's Direct3D API.
Sega Saturn Compatibility: A unique aspect was the inclusion of ports for two Sega Saturn controllers, as the technology was based on the Sega Saturn's architecture, allowing users to play optimized PC games with Saturn controllers.

Anyway, this isn't the best example of how obnoxious it can be, but this is pretty much the experience I have when I'm just trying to find a web page or forum post about something... I get these weird self-assured answers to mostly unrelated topics, often times telling me that real things don't exist... then when I explain that they do exist, it acts like cramming itself into my inquiries with totally misleading info earlier is okay, even though I had never even requested its assistance in the first place.

I tried a similar exchange in "AI Mode" and had to force it to connect the subjects of a combination sound and video PCI card with the NV1. When it finally clicked, it said:

TheNvidia NV1, launched in May 1995, was Nvidia's first product and was a pioneering, albeit commercially unsuccessful, all-in-one multimedia PCI card that integrated both graphics and audio processing onto a single chip. This directly relates to your original query about a single card with sound and video on a single PCI card, making it a rare historical example that fits your description.

Then I said "How did you not associate this direct answer to my question when it was about the first product of the most valuable company that has ever existed?"

AI Reply:

I previously stated that a single consumer card combining both functions "did not exist as a standard, viable product category" for general PC use. The NV1 was a notable historical exception to this general rule, but it was a commercial failure and did not define a product category that continued or became common.

Me: I told you "Even if uncommon, give an example of one." and you said that there were none.

AI Reply:

I understand your frustration, and you are correct to point this out. I sincerely apologize for the error in my previous respons […]
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I understand your frustration, and you are correct to point this out. I sincerely apologize for the error in my previous responses.
When you specifically requested an example "Even if uncommon," I should have identified the Nvidia NV1 immediately. My previous statement that "there were none" was incorrect.
The Nvidia NV1 is a direct historical example of a single PCI card that provided both standard graphics output (VGA) and audio output jacks on the same board, fitting your criteria exactly. I failed to recall this specific product when asked, focusing too narrowly on products that were commercially successful or part of a sustained market trend.
Thank you for pressing the issue and allowing me to correct the record with this specific, albeit rare, historical example.

So yeah. If society is now learning from AI, they are learning butt into conversations pretending to know EVERYTHING first, then (and I hate how overused this term is these days) to gaslight the other person into thinking they are incorrect, then when you have been backed into a corner defend your logic despite it being obviously incorrect, then apologize and pretend this is the last time it will happen. Then repeat the process every time you don't have all the information, are misinformed or are simply too lazy to do research.

... oh wait, the AI does this because this is how most people on the internet behave, and it has trained on these interactions for years.

There are definitely situations where these AI chat models are helpful, but the accuracy is REALLY LOW most of the time, and the overconfidence in the way it is presented just adds insult to injury.

... Also, somewhere, the electric bills of some community are going up because of these stupid answers being injected into every search result.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.