marxveix wrote on 2025-12-11, 20:35:
I have used AI very rearly, i will abandon it, it gives false information and it apologizes if i start to correct it.
Yes, I think the part that bothers me the most about it is the "matter of fact" way that it says things that are untrue... arggh... and how about how it does the "um ackshuwuallllyy......" type of condescending garbage when you are obviously typing SEARCH TERMS INTO A SEARCH ENGINE, NOT A QUESTION???
That is so soooo irritating, and it happens CONSTANTLY when looking up obscure information.
For example... say I am physically holding onto an NV1 card (sound and video on one card) and I'm curious if more things like this exist, OR, I see a picture of such a card and I have no idea what it is. So I search for: pci vga sound combo card
Google's AI answer says:
A "PCI VGA Sound VGA Combo Card" isn't a standard product name, but it refers to older expansion cards for PCs that integrated both VGA graphics (video) and audio (sound) onto a single PCI slot card, common in the late 90s/early 2000s for basic multimedia PCs, especially for retro gaming or industrial systems needing integrated solutions where space or slots were limited. These cards, often by brands like Jaton or Creative, provided basic video (e.g., 8MB, 1280x1024) and sound (like 4-channel AC97) to avoid needing separate cards, though dedicated cards offered better quality.
Okay... well. Let's try different wording. So I search for: sound and video on single pci or isa card
Google's AI answer says:
You generally won't find a
single ISA or PCI card that does both video and sound because they are separate functions, but you ca […]
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You generally won't find a
single ISA or PCI card that does both video and sound because they are separate functions, but you can use an ISA sound card for DOS games (like Sound Blaster) and a PCI video card (or AGP/PCIe) in the same PC, often simultaneously, by managing resource conflicts and drivers, especially in Windows 9x era machines where you might have an ISA slot for old games and a PCI/AGP slot for Windows acceleration. For DOS, dedicated ISA cards (or modern ISA-compatible PCI cards with OPL3) are best for authenticity, while PCI cards handle Windows sound better.
Key Differences & Considerations:
ISA (Industry Standard Architecture): Older, slower, ideal for legacy DOS games needing direct hardware access (OPL3 FM synth, Sound Blaster compatibility).
PCI (Peripheral Component Interconnect): Faster, uses drivers, better for Windows 9x/Me for hardware mixing and soundfonts, but can be tricky for native DOS.
Video Cards: Separate function from sound, using AGP or PCIe slots for speed, with some graphics cards even carrying audio (HDMI/DisplayPort).
Common Setups:
Dual Cards (ISA Sound + PCI Video): The classic retro setup. Use an ISA slot for a Sound Blaster (or modern equivalent) for DOS, and a PCI/AGP slot for your Windows graphics card. Works well in Windows 98 with separate drivers for each.
Modern PCI Sound for DOS: Use PCI sound cards with specific chips (like Yamaha YMF724) or modern ISA-compatible PCI cards (e.g., some with CMI8330 or OPL3) that have drivers for DOS emulation.
Onboard Sound + PCI Video: Use motherboard sound for Windows and an ISA card only when booting to pure DOS for specific games
... what are we even talking about??? Funny thing, while I was doing this, it kept changing the wording of its answers without ever being correct. At first it flat out said that such a thing did not exist, then it gave me the answers above.
Here is my follow up search query: what is the nvidia nv1 pci sound video card
The NVIDIA NV1 was NVIDIA's first graphics card (1995), an all-in-one PCI multimedia accelerator integrating 2D/3D graphics (usi […]
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The NVIDIA NV1 was NVIDIA's first graphics card (1995), an all-in-one PCI multimedia accelerator integrating 2D/3D graphics (using unique quadratic rendering like the Sega Saturn), audio (wavetable MIDI, DirectSound), and a Sega-compatible gamepad port, sold as the Diamond Edge 3D; it supported DirectX 1.0 but struggled with modern APIs, using an unusual quad-based rendering that hindered broader adoption but made it a historic, if commercially unsuccessful, debut for Nvidia.
Key Features & Technology:
All-in-One Multimedia: Combined graphics, audio synthesis, and a game port on a single PCI card.
Quadratic Rendering: Used quadrilaterals (quads) for 3D rendering, similar to the Sega Saturn, rather than the triangle-based approach used by most competitors, which made porting Saturn games easier but complicated others.
Audio: Featured hardware wavetable synthesis and DirectSound support.
Game Port: Included a dedicated port for Sega Saturn controllers.
DirectX Support: Supported DirectX 1.0, but later Direct3D drivers were software-based, slow, and buggy.
Why It Was Unique (and Flawed):
Novel Approach: Its use of quadratic textures allowed for smooth curved surfaces but was computationally complex and an industry dead-end compared to triangles.
All-in-One Drawback: While convenient, its integrated nature added cost, and its niche technology struggled as the industry standardized on triangle-based hardware.
Commercial Failure: Despite its innovation, it was a commercial flop, leading NVIDIA to pivot to the successful triangle-based Riva series (like the Riva 128).
In essence, the NV1 was NVIDIA's ambitious, but ultimately unsuccessful, first foray into the consumer graphics market, notable for its unique tech and all-in-one design before the company found mainstream success.
Next, I follow it up with: sound and video on single pci card nv1
The
NVIDIA NV1 was the first single PCI card to integrate both video (2D/3D graphics) and sound (32-channel wavetable audio) cap […]
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NVIDIA NV1 was the first single PCI card to integrate both video (2D/3D graphics) and sound (32-channel wavetable audio) capabilities on a single chip. It was released in 1995 and marketed as an all-in-one multimedia solution, primarily in the form of the Diamond Edge 3D card.
Key Features of the NV1 Card
Integrated Multimedia Chip: The NV1 chip was designed as a complete multimedia accelerator, combining 2D and 3D video acceleration with an integrated audio engine.
PCI Interface: The card connected to the computer's motherboard via a standard PCI slot.
Audio Capabilities: It featured a 32-channel, 16-bit, 48 kHz playback-only wavetable audio synthesizer.
Unique 3D Architecture: The NV1 used quadratic texture mapping for its 3D rendering, a different approach from the triangle-based rendering that later became the industry standard with Microsoft's Direct3D API.
Sega Saturn Compatibility: A unique aspect was the inclusion of ports for two Sega Saturn controllers, as the technology was based on the Sega Saturn's architecture, allowing users to play optimized PC games with Saturn controllers.
Anyway, this isn't the best example of how obnoxious it can be, but this is pretty much the experience I have when I'm just trying to find a web page or forum post about something... I get these weird self-assured answers to mostly unrelated topics, often times telling me that real things don't exist... then when I explain that they do exist, it acts like cramming itself into my inquiries with totally misleading info earlier is okay, even though I had never even requested its assistance in the first place.
I tried a similar exchange in "AI Mode" and had to force it to connect the subjects of a combination sound and video PCI card with the NV1. When it finally clicked, it said:
TheNvidia NV1, launched in May 1995, was Nvidia's first product and was a pioneering, albeit commercially unsuccessful, all-in-one multimedia PCI card that integrated both graphics and audio processing onto a single chip. This directly relates to your original query about a single card with sound and video on a single PCI card, making it a rare historical example that fits your description.
Then I said "How did you not associate this direct answer to my question when it was about the first product of the most valuable company that has ever existed?"
AI Reply:
I previously stated that a single consumer card combining both functions "did not exist as a standard, viable product category" for general PC use. The NV1 was a notable historical exception to this general rule, but it was a commercial failure and did not define a product category that continued or became common.
Me: I told you "Even if uncommon, give an example of one." and you said that there were none.
AI Reply:
I understand your frustration, and you are correct to point this out. I sincerely apologize for the error in my previous respons […]
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I understand your frustration, and you are correct to point this out. I sincerely apologize for the error in my previous responses.
When you specifically requested an example "Even if uncommon," I should have identified the Nvidia NV1 immediately. My previous statement that "there were none" was incorrect.
The Nvidia NV1 is a direct historical example of a single PCI card that provided both standard graphics output (VGA) and audio output jacks on the same board, fitting your criteria exactly. I failed to recall this specific product when asked, focusing too narrowly on products that were commercially successful or part of a sustained market trend.
Thank you for pressing the issue and allowing me to correct the record with this specific, albeit rare, historical example.
So yeah. If society is now learning from AI, they are learning butt into conversations pretending to know EVERYTHING first, then (and I hate how overused this term is these days) to gaslight the other person into thinking they are incorrect, then when you have been backed into a corner defend your logic despite it being obviously incorrect, then apologize and pretend this is the last time it will happen. Then repeat the process every time you don't have all the information, are misinformed or are simply too lazy to do research.
... oh wait, the AI does this because this is how most people on the internet behave, and it has trained on these interactions for years.
There are definitely situations where these AI chat models are helpful, but the accuracy is REALLY LOW most of the time, and the overconfidence in the way it is presented just adds insult to injury.
... Also, somewhere, the electric bills of some community are going up because of these stupid answers being injected into every search result.