3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby leileilol » 2011-10-24 @ 21:51

Turok glide only versions exist in only OEM versions (afaik one was for Voodoo Rush), and the early July 97 leak was glide only

The final retail version (Dec 97) was Glide, Direct3D, SGL and Rage Pro


i've played Turok in Rage Pro, you can expect blocky alphas, alphas that can't modulate color (white grenade smoke woo) or alpha (woo smoke clouds that don't fade away, including GUN smoke)
Voodoo2s aren't 100mhz stock
Geforce256 isn't released as a beta on New Years '99 under the Quadro brand
DOS gaming isn't a bilinear 320x200 16:10
DOS PCs aren't better than the Macintosh
DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x
SGL != Glide
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-5-21 @ 17:10

EDIT: See viewtopic.php?t=33483 for updated list.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby gerwin » 2012-5-21 @ 17:22

I remember Novalogic's Armoured Fist II displayed a message about MMX at the loading screen, when the CPU supported it.

The Allegro game programming library has an FBlend addon that uses MMX and SSE. I used it in my own game (HeroQuest).
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby robertmo » 2012-5-22 @ 05:12

the list was intended for games that don't have 3dfx/D3D/OGL versions. But feel free to post them too just mention they have them.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-6-20 @ 05:45

robertmo wrote:Diamond Edge 3D (NV1):

3D Baseball
Absolute Zero
Daytona USA
Destruction Derby
Mixman - Spin Control
NASCAR Racing
Panzer Dragoon
US Navy Fighters
Virtua Cop
Virtua Fighter Remix


Did some research on each of these games. I think this list can be substantially cut down.

EDIT: See viewtopic.php?t=33483 for updated list.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby unmei220 » 2012-7-24 @ 02:41

vetz wrote:Isn't this list missing or uncomplete? I have never heard or found any information that Screamer is accelerated with the S3 Virge except in the press release. Those are notoriously on showing games that never get released or never surface with support. Press release who mentions Screamer, NHL97 and others: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/S3+Launch ... a018290559

S3 Virge native list that I know of:

- Actua Soccer bundled OEM (Part of S3D Game Pak along with Havoc and Terminal Velocity)
- Havoc bundled OEM (Part of S3D Game Pak along with Actua Soccer and Terminal Velocity)
- Battlerace
- Croc (ONLY 1.0 version)
- FX Fighter Turbo
- Tomb Raider (with patch)
- Descent II (with patch or OEM version)
- Destruction Derby (OEM version Windows 95 bundled with Diamond Stealth 2000)
- Mechwarrior II (homemade patch or OEM version)
- POD Gold
- Terminal Velocity (Patch)
- Time Warriors (Patch only polish?)
- Fatal Racing / Whiplash 3D S3D edition OEM

Unconfirmed:
- Terracide DEMO


Here are some screens from the Terracide demo, running in S3D mode. S3D mode doesn't have his own shortcut, it's accessed running the standard Terracide shortcut and then going to the graphics settings. The game would crash if you select S3D mode and you don't have a s3dtkw.dll file in either the game folder or your windows\system folder, so I guess it's really running in S3D mode ? The game felt like running between 10-15fps (640x480), on a Celeron 900Mhz system.

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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 01:07

vetz wrote:For the ATI Rage I think there is only these:
- Actua Soccer (OEM) - Semifinals edition
- Assault Rigs (OEM)
- Croc (Only 1.0 version)
- Formula 1 OEM
- Mechwarrior 2: ATI 3D Rage Edition (OEM)
- POD Gold
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 99
- Time Warriors
- Tomb Raider(patch)
- Turok
- Wipeout (OEM) - Some sources say this is a demo, some the whole game.

Unconfirmed:
- Terracide - Supposed to run in Direct3D, but has own shortcut to ATI Rage (along with PowerVR, Matrox Mystique and Rendition). Must be confirmed by someone, but could just be tweaking so that the game would run better in Direct3D mode on that particular card.

Did I miss any? Not counting wrapper games like Quake.


This is what I get too, except:
- HyperBlade (OEM) - there's a post on VOGONS somewhere that says this exists (this thread?)

These are rumored, can you debunk them?
- Heavy Gear (OEM?)
- Interstate '76
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 01:09

Creative Graphics Library (CGL) Games List
-------------------------------------------------
(3D Blaster VLB - 3DLabs Glint 300SX/Game Glint - PCI Rendition) Games List
(3D Blaster VLB: 3DLabs GLINT; 3D Blaster PCI: Rendition Verite; Graphics Blaster 3D: Cirrus Logic Laguna)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Actua Soccer - VLB release, PCI patch
Battle Arena Toshinden - VLB retail release, patch for PCI
Battlerace - VLB
Euro 96 - VLB release, PCI patch
Fatal Racing - retail release
Flight Unlimited (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
* Hi-Octane (probably only VLB)
* Magic Carpet Plus (probably only VLB)
Nascar Racing (only VLB, might be hackable to PCI)
Rebel Moon (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
Screamer II - patch
Screamer Rally - retail release
Whiplash - retail release

* = needs verified

Let me know if I missed any, or if I'm wrong. In theory these should work on any Creative 3D Blaster/Graphics Blaster 3D if what I'm reading was correct. swaaye?
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 01:14

vetz wrote:Did some research on each of these games. I think this list can be substantially cut down.

Confirmed list:
Battle Arena Toshinden - Confirmed. Retail release support. Screenshot: [ 1 ]
NASCAR Racing - Confirmed. Bundled with Diamond Edge 3D. Youtube video: [ 1 ] [ 2 ]
Panzer Dragoon - Confirmed. Bundled with Diamond Edge 3D. Youtube video: [ 1 ] [ 2 ]
Virtua Cop - Confirmed. Retail release support. Youtube video: [ Comparison NV1/Software ]
Virtua Fighter Remix - Confirmed. Bundled with Diamond Edge 3D. Youtube video: [ 1 ] [ 2 ]



The cutbacks:
3D Baseball - Game never released for Windows. PSX and Saturn only. Crystal Dynamics did mention this game in a Nvidia press release 12th of November 1995. Apparently this never materialized.

Absolute Zero - Again a game that was mentioned in the press release. I have searched through the retail CD and readme, with no mention of NV1 support. Internet also says nothing about NV1 support for this game beside in the press report. To put the final nail in the coffin, this game is not mentioned on Nvidias official NV1 site (archived).

Daytona USA - Listed on Nvidias NV1 site as a OEM / forthcoming title, but so is the Mechwarrior II version which never came out (see below for more details). Retail release do not have any mention of NV1 support. One person over at Assembler games mention this game running on the NV1, but he also speaks about Virtua Fighter 2 (which has to be VF: Remix). An explanation is that he could've mixed up Nascar Racing and Daytona USA.Also it is not bundled with the Diamond Edge 3D 3400, so either it came with the 2x00 versions, or early 3x00, or another OEM product which I have to ask you guys about? I can not confirm NV1 release, but I can't disregard it either, but chances are slim.

Destruction Derby - Diamond got a exclusive agreementwith the developer of this game Psygnosis to make ports for both the Diamond Stealth 2000 (S3 Virge) and Diamond Edge 3D. No information found if this version for the NV1 ever came out, but the S3 Virge version did. My guess is that Diamond cancelled the NV1 version when they figured out that the NV1 had no future.

Mixman - Spin Control - This is not a game, but a music program. Very hard to find any information. Is mentioned at the Nvidia NV1 site as a released title.

US Navy Fighters - Mentioned in the Nvidia press release as a game with upcoming support. I have checked the released CD and readme with no mention of NV1 support. Internet also has nothing on support. My guess is that the port was cancelled by EA.


Other possible games:
From this source I found this:
...already announced Tomcat Alley, Ecco the Dolphin, and Comix Zone. These titles will all be uniquely enhanced for the NV1 accelerator chip...

This caught my attention as those games are visible in the Diamond Edge 3D 3400 bundle on Assembler games forum. I know this user is also here on Vogons, maybe he can confirm whether these games really are accelerated or not?

Mechwarrior II NV1 version:
This version got cancelled during production. A very interesting interview with a programmer at Activision explains what happened.


Nice, so the list is like so?
- Battle Arena Toshinden
- NASCAR Racing (Papyrus)
- Panzer Dragoon (SEGA)
- Virtua Cop (SEGA)
- Virtua Fighter Remix (SEGA)
* Comix Zone (Need to verify)
* Daytona USA (SEGA) (Need to verify)
* Ecco the Dolphin (Need to verify)
* Mixman - Spin Control (Need to verify)
* Tomcat Alley (Need to verify)

where's that blueshogun guy to verify some of those...

BTW - API of NV1 was called NVLIB:
http://web.archive.org/web/199611121640 ... nvlib.html
http://web.archive.org/web/199611121639 ... index.html
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 01:19

My lists for Rendition:

Rendition RRedline (Win95) Games List
(Verite 1000, 2000)
-------------------------------------
BigRRed (Glide-to-RRedline wrapper)
Grand Prix Legends
Heretic 2 (vHeretic2)
Hexen II (vHexen2)
MDK
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
Mechwarrior 2: Titanium Edition
Myth: The Fallen Lords
Quake II (vQuake2)
RRedline demos from demo competition
SODA Off-Road Racing (Papyrus)
Sub Culture

Rendition Speedy3D (DOS) Games List
(Verite 1000, 2000)
-----------------------------------
Descent II
Descent II: Vertigo
EuroFighter 2000 (EF2000) v2.0
EuroFighter 2000 (EF2000) + Graphics+/TACTCOM
IndyCar Racing II / CART Racing
NASCAR Racing II (Papyrus)
Quake (vQuake)
Rebel Moon
Scorched Planet
Tomb Raider
VR Soccer 96
Whiplash
* Fatal Racing
* Formula 1
* Front Page Sports: Ski Racing
* Heavy Gear

* = need verified
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby filipetolhuizen » 2012-7-25 @ 01:21

Flight Unlimited had a 3d version and Destruction Derby 1 and 2 had more than 1 3d version? I need to see this really bad!
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 01:35

After a lot of searching:

S3 S3D (ViRGE) Games List
-------------------------
Actua Soccer (OEM) (Gremlin)
Battlerace
Croc: Legend of the Gobbos 1.0
Descent II (Interplay)
Destruction Derby (Psygnosis) (OEM)
Fatal Racing
FX Fighter Turbo (GTE Entertainment)
Havoc (Reality Bytes) (OEM)
Mechwarrior 2 (Activision)
POD Gold (Ubisoft)
Quake Engine Games (GLQuake) (iD Software)
Tomb Raider (EIDOS Interactive)
Terminal Velocity (Terminal Reality)
Terracide (Demo) (EIDOS Interactive)
Time Warriors
Whiplash 3D
* Actua Golf (Gremlin)
* Alien Trilogy
* Confirmed Kill (EIDOS Interactive)
* Cyberspeed
* Demon Driver (Philips)
* Flight Unlimited
* Flying Nightmares 2 (EIDOS Interactive)
* Microleague Baseball (Microleague)
* NCAA Final Four
* Rocket Jockey (Rocket Science)
* Stratosphere (Acclaim)
* Terra Nova
* Virtua Fighter

S3 MeTaL (Savage) Games List
-------------------
Unreal
Unreal Tournament
* Der zerstreute Pharao
* Rune
* Rune: Gold
* Rune: Halls of Valhalla
* Deus Ex
* Quake III: Arena?

* = need confirmed and verified, please debunk

S3 MeTaL is very confusing, I'm not sure that it really is an API!
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-7-25 @ 02:07

Stiletto wrote:My lists for Rendition:

* Resident Evil - Direct3D
! Actua Soccer - CGL game, can be removed.
! Fatal Racing - Don't know if Whiplash patch work, if not can be removed.
! Whiplash - Yes, has Speedy3D patch. See my video on youtube
* Battle Arena Toshinden - CGL game, can be removed.
* Formula 1 - I have not tested this game, but will soon make a comparison video as I have the rare OEM ATI Rage version too. Is a Windows game.
! * Screamer Rally - CGL
! * Screamer 2 - CGL patch, can be removed


where's that blueshogun guy to verify some of those...

I've sent him a PM here and on Assemblergames, still no response. Will try his Youtube channel.

Creative Graphics Library (CGL) Games List

As far as I know only the Creative 3D Blaster VLB and PCI card supports CGL. I can not get CGL games to run on my Diamond Stealth II S220 card, and if they start they start in software mode. There are patches to some VLB games to make them run on the PCI card. Some of the patches is just a HOTCGL file (vritb170.cgl) that is placed in the gamefolder, so more VLB games might actually work on the PCI.

Actua Soccer - VLB release, PCI patch
Euro 96 - VLB release, PCI patch
Fatal Racing - retail release
Screamer II - patch
Screamer Rally - retail release
Whiplash - retail release
Battle Arena Toshinden - VLB retail release, patch for PCI

Also you have these:
Hi-Octane (probably only VLB)
Flight Unlimited (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
Nascar Racing (only VLB as far as I'm concerned)
Magic Carpet (probably only VLB)
Rebel Moon (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
http://web.archive.org/web/199612211125 ... dbvlb.html
http://web.archive.org/web/199612220119 ... /gweb.html


This is what I get too, except:
- HyperBlade (OEM) - there's a post on VOGONS somewhere that says this exists (this thread?)

These are rumored, can you debunk them?
- Heavy Gear (OEM?)
- Interstate '76

Hyperblade is D3D, can't find any info that it was ATI Rage native. Don't have any other info on the other two games

* Actua Golf (Gremlin)
* Alien Trilogy
* Confirmed Kill (EIDOS Interactive)
* Cyberspeed
* Demon Driver (Philips)
* Flight Unlimited
* Flying Nightmares 2 (EIDOS Interactive)
* Microleague Baseball (Microleague)
* NCAA Final Four
* Rocket Jockey (Rocket Science)
* Stratosphere (Acclaim)
* Terra Nova
* Virtua Fighter

Debunked most of these games when I made the S3 list myself. Rocket Jocket does not have it in retail release. Don't have/remember the details on the others at the moment.
Whiplash/Fatal racing only OEM release.


Flight Unlimited had a 3d version and Destruction Derby 1 and 2 had more than 1 3d version? I need to see this really bad!

Flight Unlimited had CGL support atleast. Destruction Derby 1 had an OEM release for the Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, and it requires that card to even start (video will come when I get my Diamond S3 card). Destruction Derby 2 was only accelerated on the Matrox Mystique.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 03:04

vetz wrote:
Creative Graphics Library (CGL) Games List

As far as I know only the Creative 3D Blaster VLB and PCI card supports CGL. I can not get CGL games to run on my Diamond Stealth II S220 card, and if they start they start in software mode. There are patches to some VLB games to make them run on the PCI card. Some of the patches is just a HOTCGL file (vritb170.cgl) that is placed in the gamefolder, so more VLB games might actually work on the PCI.

Actua Soccer - VLB release, PCI patch
Euro 96 - VLB release, PCI patch
Fatal Racing - retail release
Screamer II - patch
Screamer Rally - retail release
Whiplash - retail release
Battle Arena Toshinden - VLB retail release, patch for PCI

Also you have these:
Hi-Octane (probably only VLB)
Flight Unlimited (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
Nascar Racing (only VLB as far as I'm concerned)
Magic Carpet (probably only VLB)
Rebel Moon (PCI and VLB (included on PCI's driver CD))
http://web.archive.org/web/199612211125 ... dbvlb.html
http://web.archive.org/web/199612220119 ... /gweb.html


This makes me wonder if robertmo's list for 3DLabs GLINT shouldn't be adjusted then to remove:
- Flight Unlimited
- Hi-Octane
- Magic Carpet Plus
- Nascar Racing
- Rebel Moon

Unless they existed for other 3DLabs cards (if there were any gamer cards?)

leaving:
Azrael's Tear
Cybersled
Magic's Ballz Out
for... what, exactly? The GLINT list is very confusing.


vetz wrote:
This is what I get too, except:
- HyperBlade (OEM) - there's a post on VOGONS somewhere that says this exists (this thread?)

These are rumored, can you debunk them?
- Heavy Gear (OEM?)
- Interstate '76

Hyperblade is D3D, can't find any info that it was ATI Rage native. Don't have any other info on the other two games


Okay.

vetz wrote:
* Actua Golf (Gremlin)
* Alien Trilogy
* Confirmed Kill (EIDOS Interactive)
* Cyberspeed
* Demon Driver (Philips)
* Flight Unlimited
* Flying Nightmares 2 (EIDOS Interactive)
* Microleague Baseball (Microleague)
* NCAA Final Four
* Rocket Jockey (Rocket Science)
* Stratosphere (Acclaim)
* Terra Nova
* Virtua Fighter

Debunked most of these games when I made the S3 list myself. Rocket Jockey does not have it in retail release. Don't have/remember the details on the others at the moment.
Whiplash/Fatal racing only OEM release.


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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-7-25 @ 03:11

Azrael's Tear
Cybersled
Magic's Ballz Out

All of these games were mentioned in the press release by Creative when the card got announced in 1995 as part of the bundle. When the card finally got into retail these games were not included. Makes me think we have another "press release vanish", as we did with alot of other games to different 3D cards at the time.

The 3dlabs Glint and the Creative 3D Blaster is the same thing. It was 3Dlabs who made the Glint chip that sat on the Creative 3D Blaster cards. Makes more sense?
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby Stiletto » 2012-7-25 @ 03:15

vetz wrote:Azrael's Tear
Cybersled
Magic's Ballz Out

All of these games were mentioned in the press release by Creative when the card got announced in 1995 as part of the bundle. When the card finally got into retail these games were not included. Makes me think we have another "press release vanish", as we did with alot of other games to different 3D cards at the time.

The 3dlabs Glint and the Creative 3D Blaster is the same thing. It was 3Dlabs who made the Glint chip that sat on the Creative 3D Blaster cards. Makes more sense?


Much more sense - I thought there were other GLINT cards for gaming, but I guess I was thnking of Permedia.

Incidentally, there's only OpenGL and Direct3D for Permedia - yes, no proprietary API?
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-7-25 @ 03:26

Stiletto wrote:* Nascar Racing (only VLB as far as I'm concerned)


btw, I have the CD-ROM version of Nascar Racing and I can confirm it has CGL support. It also seems to be static as it's just it's own .exe file named creative.exe, there are no external .cgl files as with other CGL games. I get a "Unable to begin Creative 640x480 mode: Board not found" error on my Diamond rendition card when I try to run it. No patch was ever created specifically for the PCI version for this game. If it runs on the PCI or not I do not know, hopefully someone here with the card can test it out.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby unmei220 » 2012-7-25 @ 14:46

vetz wrote:Flight Unlimited had CGL support atleast. Destruction Derby 1 had an OEM release for the Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, and it requires that card to even start (video will come when I get my Diamond S3 card). Destruction Derby 2 was only accelerated on the Matrox Mystique.


You can run older games designed for the original Virge on newer Virge cards (VX/DX/GX) by running them using the S3D PATCH Programm made by ELSA for the ELSA VICTORY 3DX card.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-7-25 @ 15:49

unmei220 wrote:
vetz wrote:Flight Unlimited had CGL support atleast. Destruction Derby 1 had an OEM release for the Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, and it requires that card to even start (video will come when I get my Diamond S3 card). Destruction Derby 2 was only accelerated on the Matrox Mystique.


You can run older games designed for the original Virge on newer Virge cards (VX/DX/GX) by running them using the S3D PATCH Programm made by ELSA for the ELSA VICTORY 3DX card.


I know, and that tool works on the other games, but it is a DOS tool. Destruction Derby for the S3 is Windows 95, and whatever I try to do on my S3 Virge DX card I get a "Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 not detected" error. Seems to be some kind of BIOS check. Hopefully I'll get one soon.
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Re: 3D accelerated games list (non 3dfx/D3D/OGL)

Postby vetz » 2012-7-25 @ 18:31

Getting that card to test Destruction Derby won't be within the next week atleast. Had a bid for a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 2MB for 5 euro (which I think it's worth) after negociating with the seller to ship to my country. Then some idiot with Ebay bidding bot comes in and swoops it up 1 second before the auction ends. Pisses me off, don't understand why Ebay doesn't autoextend the auction when someone does that in the last second (and especially with some kind of bot program).

In hindsight I should maybe have set the max bid to 10 euro, but that is pushing it as I only need the card for one game. Since I can't beat the snipers, I'll have to join them.
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