KainXVIII wrote:Ok, still its little cumbersome to install all that stuff, maybe i just stick to Phil's solution
James-F wrote:KainXVIII wrote:Ok, still its little cumbersome to install all that stuff, maybe i just stick to Phil's solution
Are you using Dosbox or a retro PC?
still its little cumbersome to install all that stuff
KainXVIII wrote:still its little cumbersome to install all that stuff
Its about falcosoft midi player, not roland user attachments =)
James-F wrote:KainXVIII wrote:still its little cumbersome to install all that stuff
Its about falcosoft midi player, not roland user attachments =)
You need 4 things:
1. Dosbox.
2. LoopMIDI.
3. Falcosoft Midi Player.
4. SC-VA.
Watch this video by PhilsComputerLab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WumRboSfn90
This time create two loopMIDI ports.
First goes into FSMP, the other goes out of FSMP and into SC-VA.
Dosbox goes into the First port.
* Make sure you enable CTF in FSMP and use the SC-55 instrument map.
Dosbox -> FSMP -> SC-VA.
That's it.
So i need to be sure that midi player AND savihost...That what i call a little cumbersome.
PS - also default midi out device is greyed out in coolsoft virtualmidisynth for some reason..
The problem that I'm running into is that the output from SCVA seems to be very quiet.
I have to lower the sound effects in ZDOOM to about 30% for the mix to sound correct for example.
Is that to be expected?
Deep Thought wrote:The problem that I'm running into is that the output from SCVA seems to be very quiet.
I have to lower the sound effects in ZDOOM to about 30% for the mix to sound correct for example.
Is that to be expected?
James-F wrote:Deep Thought wrote:The problem that I'm running into is that the output from SCVA seems to be very quiet.
I have to lower the sound effects in ZDOOM to about 30% for the mix to sound correct for example.
Is that to be expected?
Yes this is by design.
When a lot of instruments playing together, SC-VA can actually reach 0.0db on the digital scale and clip, therefor the base level is quite low in comparison to modern super compressed music.
Actually, the hardware SC-55 also has to be set below half on the volume dial to not clip the amplifiers at the SC-55 output.
Just lower the game volume by windows mixer or internal game mixer.
Increasing the bit-depth expands the dynamic range downwards, while clipping happens at the loud end of the scale.Roland User wrote:James-F
All OK , but you say about 16 bit dynamic range. If take account what now 24 bit have dynamic range more than dynamic range 16 bit , can be upped volume gain without clipping.
Deep Thought wrote:Is it sufficiently attenuated to prevent clipping with most/all real-world content?
I can't imagine you have 16 channels all set to max volume for example.
Makes me wonder the same about munt too.
Deep Thought wrote:Increasing the bit-depth expands the dynamic range downwards, while clipping happens at the loud end of the scale.
So whether you have a 16-bit, 24-bit, or 32-bit DAC, it would clip at the same point.
Deep Thought wrote:However I've run into a big issue: every time a new track is played, the volume level resets to 100%.
Do you know if that's a limitation of the plug-in, or just the trial version?
Deep Thought wrote:So there's no way to prevent it clipping with particularly loud tracks then, if the volume is reset on track change?
Deep Thought wrote:
Since you own the real hardware, do you recommend that over the plug-in?
Aha - well that was easily solved.James-F wrote:Deep Thought wrote:So there's no way to prevent it clipping with particularly loud tracks then, if the volume is reset on track change?
When SC-VA loaded into a DAW (not SAVIHost) its processing is actually in 32bit floating point, so there is no clipping when you lower the fader volume no matter how loud is the input midi.
But even in SAVIHost, clipping is very rare only with the utter most loud midi/games like Descent 2, and this also barely heard when Soft Clipping is enabled.
SC-VA does seem like the way to go now that I've got most of this sorted out.James-F wrote:Deep Thought wrote:
Since you own the real hardware, do you recommend that over the plug-in?
Actually no, the SC-VA will do the SC-55 fine unless you are VERY picky, plus the SC-VA has greater polyphony even for tracks that were created on the SC-55.
I use DOSBox more than my retro PC, so the SC-55 is there for science, and SC-VA is used more often.
Go for the SC-VA if you use DOSBox more often and want all the Sound Canvas units of the past in one plugin.
Deep Thought wrote:Aha - well that was easily solved.
Rather than using a DAW, VSTHost seems to work well for that: http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm
Deep Thought wrote:Thanks so much for your help. I'm completely new to all of this MIDI stuff.