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Reply 221 of 264, by Iris030380

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ZellSF wrote on 2020-10-23, 15:00:

DLSS on the other hand would be a pretty good card seller if a lot of games supported it, but that does need very Nvidia specific support. Question is how much of that will get handled by middleware, or how much will be up to individual game developers.

We can take a pretty well educated guess, given that after 2 entire years of Turing there ended up being less than 10 RTX games and 5 (???) DLSS games. That averages 2.5 / year. Not only that, but now the new consoles have landed BOTH with RDNA2 graphics we are going to see a huge focus (even more than previously) on console titles being ported to the PC. At the end of the previous console generation lifecycle, Turing couldn't have been better placed to mop up the PC market and Nvidia had every opportunity and all the money under the sun to persuade developers to implement DLSS. They only managed 5. Even the biggest tech tubers refused to bench Turing cards with DLSS against AMD's cards as there were so few games and so little implementation. The tech isn't in the consoles or on AMD cards. So literally 85% of global gamers do not have the ability to make use of it. Are developers gonna implement for the other 15%? How many man hours will that take? There is no profit in it. Nvidia will have to persuade them with $$$$$$ and most of them will turn it down regardless - time better spent developing their next title.

5 games in 24 months is known as a gimmick, not a feature. I'm sure the tech is sound, but it simply isn't being used and it hasn't been used. Neither was RTX in any meaningful way.

There is no middleware. Drivers do not globally implement DLSS tech into games. Nvidia seem to have fallen on their face this generation. I'm sure their Ampere cards will still massively outsell RDNA in the long term, but I doubt every developer will be rushing DLSS into their titles. Nvidia will have to front some serious money. They are gonna need to do so if they want to win early benchmarks with Navi out tomorrow and most tech tubers already have the 3 cards ready to release videos in 21 hours time.

Not that any reseller will have any stock! But I don't mind waiting. The onboard graphics on this 4790K still plays HOMM4 and Warcraft III just fine. Currently working my way through those campaigns and afterwards there is always OpenRA. If only the team would add Tiberium Sun support I probably wouldn't even need another GPU for at least 6 months!

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Reply 222 of 264, by ZellSF

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Iris030380 wrote on 2020-11-17, 02:59:

We can take a pretty well educated guess, given that after 2 entire years of Turing there ended up being less than 10 RTX games and 5 (???) DLSS games. That averages 2.5 / year.

DLSS didn't really become meaningful until late 2019 (DLSS 2.0). So there been a year at most of meaningful DLSS pushing, and most of it at reduced productivity because of COVID. Turing cards were also very poorly received.

Iris030380 wrote on 2020-11-17, 02:59:

Even the biggest tech tubers refused to bench Turing cards with DLSS against AMD's cards as there were so few games and so little implementation.

Huh? You can't "bench" DLSS. You have to compare image quality. Which is the real reason tech tubers are not doing it; it's rather complicated.

Iris030380 wrote on 2020-11-17, 02:59:

There is no middleware.

Do you think it actually makes no difference if say, Unreal Engine implements DLSS support or not? How can you think that?

Reply 223 of 264, by Almoststew1990

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ZellSF wrote on 2020-11-16, 12:00:

With AMD not listing worldwide prices 2 days before launch, I have zero faith AMD will handle launching a new card now better than Nvidia.

This is my concern. I think the supply issues are reasonable or at least not unexpected given the pandemic it's just how AMD handle it.

I've decided I don't have the energy to join the bumfight for a new card come launch time. All the retailer websites crashing, people having 8 tabs open for all the stores in their country and pre-purchased vouchers for a quicker Checkout, the bots and automatic purchase etc....

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Reply 224 of 264, by luckybob

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Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-17, 15:40:

I've decided I don't have the energy to join the bumfight for a new card come launch time.

[sarcasm]
What are you? a socialist?

The whole point is the bumfight! How else do we proclaim the virtues of unregulated capitalism? Fighting like a dog to spend money is the cornerstone of the American way! How else do you make others feel bad by not having something you have? Enough video cards for everyone? Screw that. I want to hold my hard fought card over my friends. I want them to fall at my feet, weeping in my presence.
[/sarcasm]

but seriously, once I heard the "leak" that the cards are absolutely bonkers for cryptocurrency, I've realized 90% of the 6800's will spend their lives propping up bitcoin, us plebs who want to "game" are royally fucked.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 229 of 264, by Joseph_Joestar

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I chuckled when I learned about Rage Mode.

Here's hoping that they eventually upgrade it to a Rage Fury MAXX Mode. 😁

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Reply 230 of 264, by Almoststew1990

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luckybob wrote on 2020-11-18, 17:01:
[sarcasm] What are you? a socialist? […]
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Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-17, 15:40:

I've decided I don't have the energy to join the bumfight for a new card come launch time.

[sarcasm]
What are you? a socialist?

The whole point is the bumfight! How else do we proclaim the virtues of unregulated capitalism? Fighting like a dog to spend money is the cornerstone of the American way! How else do you make others feel bad by not having something you have? Enough video cards for everyone? Screw that. I want to hold my hard fought card over my friends. I want them to fall at my feet, weeping in my presence.
[/sarcasm]

I actually ended up getting one relatedly painlessly. I looked online at one shop, it was there, and I bought it with no fighting needed. Some people who had 80 tabs open for different shops and German Amazon, and pre purchased vouchers or whatever didn't get one.

What sucks big time is that the UK pricing wasn't announced before hand. I paid £680 for mine from OCUK (one of the biggest UK retailers for PC hardware). I thought this was the going rate, the conversion from dollars (plus UK tax and shipping etc). Turns out this was £80 more than the going rate for other retailers, and they knew they would sell out.

Won't shop there again.

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Reply 231 of 264, by Hanamichi

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Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-19, 10:20:
I actually ended up getting one relatedly painlessly. I looked online at one shop, it was there, and I bought it with no fightin […]
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luckybob wrote on 2020-11-18, 17:01:
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Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-17, 15:40:

I've decided I don't have the energy to join the bumfight for a new card come launch time.

[sarcasm]
What are you? a socialist?

The whole point is the bumfight! How else do we proclaim the virtues of unregulated capitalism? Fighting like a dog to spend money is the cornerstone of the American way! How else do you make others feel bad by not having something you have? Enough video cards for everyone? Screw that. I want to hold my hard fought card over my friends. I want them to fall at my feet, weeping in my presence.
[/sarcasm]

I actually ended up getting one relatedly painlessly. I looked online at one shop, it was there, and I bought it with no fighting needed. Some people who had 80 tabs open for different shops and German Amazon, and pre purchased vouchers or whatever didn't get one.

What sucks big time is that the UK pricing wasn't announced before hand. I paid £680 for mine from OCUK (one of the biggest UK retailers for PC hardware). I thought this was the going rate, the conversion from dollars (plus UK tax and shipping etc). Turns out this was £80 more than the going rate for other retailers, and they knew they would sell out.

Won't shop there again.

Congrats!

Yeah we are shafted for the RRP $1=£1 on computer hardware.
OCUK is a bit pricey but they seem to get the most of any new GPU stock so we have little choice.
Tried to get a PS5 and failed miserably, bots got them I guess.

Hope you get it soon and tell us how it performs in DX9.

Reply 232 of 264, by Almoststew1990

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Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-19, 12:55:
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Congrats!

Yeah we are shafted for the RRP $1=£1 on computer hardware.
OCUK is a bit pricey but they seem to get the most of any new GPU stock so we have little choice.
Tried to get a PS5 and failed miserably, bots got them I guess.

Hope you get it soon and tell us how it performs in DX9.

Well it arrived today. I can't really think of any DX9 games that will present any issue? Mafia 2 was pretty demanding. Any specific games to test?

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Athlon 3200+ @ 3800+ (Venice) | Some Ram | Nvidia GeForce GTX645 / 7950GT
Slot 1 896MHz | 384Mb 112MHz RAM | Nvidia GeForce 3 ti200 | AWE32

Reply 233 of 264, by Almoststew1990

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It's absolutely enormous.

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That's a Nvidia GTX645 single slot, 75watt graphics card - quite capable of playing games up to 2017 or so (on low settings). It's got to be 10% of the volume of the 6800!?

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Got a big case luckily

Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | Nvidia GeForce 1070ti | 1Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
Athlon 3200+ @ 3800+ (Venice) | Some Ram | Nvidia GeForce GTX645 / 7950GT
Slot 1 896MHz | 384Mb 112MHz RAM | Nvidia GeForce 3 ti200 | AWE32

Reply 235 of 264, by Hanamichi

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That is a sexy card! Looks like the front grill of an 80s car when installed 😁

Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-19, 13:39:
Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-19, 12:55:
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Congrats!

Yeah we are shafted for the RRP $1=£1 on computer hardware.
OCUK is a bit pricey but they seem to get the most of any new GPU stock so we have little choice.
Tried to get a PS5 and failed miserably, bots got them I guess.

Hope you get it soon and tell us how it performs in DX9.

Well it arrived today. I can't really think of any DX9 games that will present any issue? Mafia 2 was pretty demanding. Any specific games to test?

Hmm I've not owned a Navi card to know the issues exactly but from reddit posts something DX8/9 that is a bit demanding for their time:

Witcher 1/2
FEAR
Spellforce 2
Oblivion
Gothic 1/2/3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofgothic/commen … 0xt_navi_cards/)

The issue with the RX5700s seemed to be incorrectly throttling to 2d clock speeds in some DX8/9 games.

Reply 236 of 264, by Almoststew1990

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Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-19, 14:28:
Hmm I've not owned a Navi card to know the issues exactly but from reddit posts something DX8/9 that is a bit demanding for thei […]
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Hmm I've not owned a Navi card to know the issues exactly but from reddit posts something DX8/9 that is a bit demanding for their time:

Witcher 1/2
FEAR
Spellforce 2
Oblivion
Gothic 1/2/3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofgothic/commen … 0xt_navi_cards/)

The issue with the RX5700s seemed to be incorrectly throttling to 2d clock speeds in some DX8/9 games.

I actually have all of those games except spell force so I'll do some tests (soon...ish)

Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | Nvidia GeForce 1070ti | 1Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
Athlon 3200+ @ 3800+ (Venice) | Some Ram | Nvidia GeForce GTX645 / 7950GT
Slot 1 896MHz | 384Mb 112MHz RAM | Nvidia GeForce 3 ti200 | AWE32

Reply 237 of 264, by Hanamichi

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Almoststew1990 wrote on 2020-11-19, 16:39:
Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-19, 14:28:
Hmm I've not owned a Navi card to know the issues exactly but from reddit posts something DX8/9 that is a bit demanding for thei […]
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Hmm I've not owned a Navi card to know the issues exactly but from reddit posts something DX8/9 that is a bit demanding for their time:

Witcher 1/2
FEAR
Spellforce 2
Oblivion
Gothic 1/2/3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofgothic/commen … 0xt_navi_cards/)

The issue with the RX5700s seemed to be incorrectly throttling to 2d clock speeds in some DX8/9 games.

I actually have all of those games except spell force so I'll do some tests (soon...ish)

Awesome, no rush. Looking forward to the results!

Some people mention their issues are fixed in a newer driver so they may just work perfectly.

Reply 238 of 264, by Bruninho

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I am just wondering how much TDP it will require...

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