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First post, by arncht

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project started: jun 2016
targeted month: 1997.09

goal: good balance between the dos speed and compatibility, focused to the early 3d age (1997).

Intel Pentium MMX 233 SL27S
Pentalpha Socket 7
Asus TX97-X rev 3.00 Intel 430TX
LG PC66 SDRAM 15ns 32M
Asus 3DP-V3000 4M PCI rev 1.03 NVIDIA Riva128
Diamond Monster 3D 4M PCI 3Dfx Voodoo
Creative Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold PnP CT4390 rev 01 ISA DSP4.16, CQM
Gravis Ultrasound Plug & Play 1.0 8M ISA 20042
Quantum Fireball ST 4.3G IDE
Mitsumi FDD
Cyberdrive 240D 24X CD-ROM IDE
In Win IW-A500
Enermax EG365P-VE

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Last edited by arncht on 2019-06-11, 09:31. Edited 22 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 20, by jheronimus

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That's a very cool build. How did you set up AWE64 and GUS PnP? I have a very similar setup (only with AWE32 and GUS PnP Pro) and I still have occasional issues with games.

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Reply 2 of 20, by arncht

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i set 240h i7 d3 for the gus, and 220h i5 d1 h5 for the blaster. my p3 and the dx4 has 3 sound cards (live, awe32, guspnp and sbpro2, gus, rap10).

what is the issue exactly? if the pc is too fast it can be also an isa timing problem, many games cant detect the card - but if you set it correcty, it can work. but it depends on the isa card and the mainboard too.

eg here:
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … sensitive_games
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (1993) garbled Adlib music 486 16 Reduce clock speed or disable cache with Setmul

i could play on the p3 with my sb16, i dont have to disable the cache, just i had to set the 16 bit recovery from 1t to 8t.

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Reply 3 of 20, by arncht

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drives are coming... with some color test. the mitsumi fdd fit well, but the odd is always hard.

on the photo:
* 52x lg nos drive (2004)
* toshiba 32x (1999)
* toshiba 24x (1997)
* hitachi 4x (1995)

i bought the 24x drive to this case, but the color doesnt match, and the drive is buggy too 🙁 staying with the 52x nos lg, until a more authentic drive.

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Reply 4 of 20, by arncht

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not too easy to find early pc66 sdram. the 32m is suitable to a 1997 mainstream computer.

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Reply 5 of 20, by arncht

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the one of the fastest hdd from 1997, the fireball st. it is 3.2g, i could not find a 6.4g in a good condition.

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Reply 6 of 20, by arncht

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the actual rig:
Intel Pentium MMX 233 SL27S
Pentalpha Socket 7
Asus TX97-X rev 3.00 Intel 430TX
LG PC66 SDRAM 15ns 32M
Asus 3DP-V3000 4M PCI NVIDIA Riva128
Diamond Monster 3D 4M PCI 3Dfx Voodoo
Creative Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold PnP CT4390 rev 01 ISA DSP4.16, CQM
Gravis Ultrasound Plug & Play 1.0 8M ISA 20042
Quantum Fireball ST 3.2G IDE
LG GCR-8523B 52x CD-ROM IDE
Mitsumi
ECE1135
Enermax EG365P-VE

the odd and the psu is not perfect.

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Reply 8 of 20, by arncht

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ninkeo wrote:

Looks like a good build man, with the PSU i'd leave it alone if its a new one. Last thing you'd want is the PSU going out and taking everything with it

it is an old enermax from 2002 😀 just maybe one of the latest with -5v. the measurements look ok, but i plan to send to a professional checking (and recap if it is necessary).

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Reply 9 of 20, by arncht

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fireball st replaced with IBM Deskstar 8 DHEA-38451 8.4G IDE (available from 1997.09)
and i put back the 64m sd... it was terribly slow with the 97 games, the hdd seeks continuously.

yeah... with this ram and hdd far from the mainstream 😀 if i would use a p2 300, it would be a highend machine.

Intel Pentium MMX 233
Pentalpha Socket 7
Asus TX97-X rev 3.00
Mosel Vitelic PC133 SDRAM 7ns 64M
Asus 3DP-V3000 4M PCI
Diamond Monster 3D 4M PCI
Creative Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold PnP CT4390 rev 01 ISA
Gravis Ultrasound Plug & Play 1.0 8M ISA
IBM Deskstar 5 DHEA-38451 8.4G IDE
LG GCR-8523B 52x CD-ROM IDE
Mitsumi FDD
ECE1135
Enermax EG365P-VE

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Reply 10 of 20, by KoenigUnhold

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I was thinking about buying one of these cases before, but by simply looking at the photos I could not determine if it is rather sturdy/high quality case. How satisfied are you with the case? Does it have sharp edges? Does it make an overall good impression?

Reply 12 of 20, by arncht

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the ibm hdd was so annoying, i turned back to the "mainstream" line. i also did some research about these months to get the more "typical" configuration:
LG PC66 SDRAM 15ns 32M
Hercules Terminator 3D/DX 4M PCI S3 ViRGE/DX
Quantum Fireball ST 3.2G IDE

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i also found a NOS case. the styling is very typical "97". unfortunately the front of the case is slightly yellowish, i got an another panel with it. it is possible, i will move back.

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that was the "original" case:

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Reply 13 of 20, by bytestorm

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Sweet case! Man I hope I find a short one like that.. but retro cases are getting hard to source now days.. not even the second hand shops around here takes em old pcs anymore 🙁

Reply 14 of 20, by arncht

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i did not like this case, i put back this rig to the slim 😀 it looks good, but it is yellowish, and rubbish quality compared to the old one. maybe after some retrobrighting, i try again.

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Reply 15 of 20, by arncht

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replaced the noisy (new) fan to another one 😀 the new build is sooo clean.

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Reply 17 of 20, by arncht

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target date changed: 1997.09

updates:
Asus 3DP-V3000 4M PCI NVIDIA Riva128 - better dos/vesa compatibility than the s3 virge/dx (i watched 50+ dos demos from 95-98)
Toshiba XM-6102B 24x CD-ROM IDE - from july of 1997, matched style, model, but the color must be fixed
TK2002 - it is better with this cdrom

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Reply 18 of 20, by arncht

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updates:

HDD Quantum Fireball ST 4.3G IDE - same, just bigger
Case In Win IW-A500 - it got my p3 case, it fits better to 1997, the odd needs some retrobright 😀

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Reply 19 of 20, by arncht

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and a backup

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