Um, I didn't get diagnose.exe with my install.

really?
here's a separate download for it:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/creative/creative … hes/diag404.exe

it is original and legit file from creative's old FTP server
when you run pkunzip or that exe, it will show the authenticity verification for the file

Um, also when I install the drivers I still don't have sound in dos mode. Though, I am using the shareware version of doom. I might unpack my cd collection and dig out my original full disc version of doom.

Doom came on a disc?

I know some shareware versions were disced (Gold Medallion v1.666 being the most notable one) but the original full Doom only had floppy releases. Ultimate Doom had a disc release, a preloading id online ordering release, another disc release, another disc release, and a Steam release.

Um, I have a doom one on disc.

shareware or full thing.. doesn't matter... they both use the same engine
did the sound card get initialized by the drivers? did you run diagnose?

Okay, I will run diag also does it matter where the game is? I mean I have sound in windows 9X but when I run a dos game I have no sound, but does the game have to be in a specific file? I have it in c:\games

don't forget to run setup.exe

exactly.... doom has its own config util for the sound... setup.exe is it... go in there and reselect all the sound devices... it will ask you the ports, irq, and dma when you do so (it will not display them otherwise)

I ran the doom setpu and I am able to get sfx to work but no background sound yet.

Okay, I ran the sb program and I got these settings: Base I/0:240H Mpu401:330h Irq:10 Dma:3,5 For some weird reason I get sfx in doom but I have yet to get the music to work. The cd-rom disk does not work in ms-dos mode because I haven't configured mscdex and put the proper lines in the autoexec and config.sys files but the cd-rom works in 9X so I need to fix that, as I remember the sound files were loaded from the cd-rom and if the cd-rom drive fails to lead in ms-dos mode then maybye that's why I have no sound.

no
doom has ALL of the sounds loaded off of the WAD file... in fact, it shouldn't even depend on the CD at all!
run the doom setup.exe again, and make sure your music (midi) settings are set correctly
it's also weird how your card is running at DMA 3/5 for the wave portion... if it works, then who cares, but just remember DMA 3 is normally for the ECP parallel port

I selected dma 3 and it said it was in use by another peripheral so I chose dma 5.

DMA 5 is for 16bit audio, you need to use DMA1

So how did you install the drivers in the end?

IMO it's good practice to keep Windows drivers and DOS drivers separate.

Under real DOS all you need to do is run CTCM and then AWEUTIL /S.

The card will display what resources it's using.

If your DOS driver installation is botched up, remove all references in the batch files and start from scratch.

I don't know if the DOS/W3.1 installer is meant to be run under W98 DOS MODE.

The default config is A220, IRQ 5, DMAL 1, DMAH 5, MIDI 330

with a PnP card, it can do something stupid like run on IRQ 10
and there are quite a few games that don't know anything about IRQ 10... this PnP madness in DOS is why I hate them in a retro box

I never had this happen to me.

There a few things that can help though: In BIOS disable any unused resources such as printer and serial ports, floppy port if you don't use it, USB if you don't use it.

There is also a PnP option (Auto/Manual) and Reset somethingsomething (seems to reallocate resources).

If your card still uses odd resources, just use CTCU and manually change them. It gives you full control to what address, IRQ and DMA you want to use. CTCU will tell you if there is a clash. E.g. when I set my AWE64 to IRQ7, it mentioned a conflict. Turned out I forgot to disable the printer port 😜

It even allows you to disable features not used, such as: game port, AWE synth, or even disable everything BUT the gameport 😁

Under windows, the resources don't matter. The driver and layered structure of windows takes care of all of that.

Where do I get ctu? Also just a reminder, what are the dead default sb16 settings?

dosquest wrote:

Where do I get ctu? Also just a reminder, what are the dead default sb16 settings?

CTCU is in the same folder as CTCM.

Default configuration is the same as posted a few posts above!

I don't have ctm or ctu! Also, sorry, I didn't see the last line the the above post.

CTU disbanded when Bauer stopped work- i mean ctcm/ctcu comes with the Creative driver package for the SB16/AWE cards. It's a TSR.