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Reply 43640 of 45391, by appiah4

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HanJammer wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:46:
Solo761 wrote on 2022-04-01, 06:29:
I'm in Croatia, a bit less remote from your point of view :D, but desktops from bygone age are rare. I think it's due to economy […]
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I'm in Croatia, a bit less remote from your point of view 😁, but desktops from bygone age are rare. I think it's due to economy, desktops were usually brand name and they cost more than DIY builds so most of the computers were store built with cheap parts.
My first PC was Cyrix 486DX2-80 which was cobbled up with cheap parts and in baby AT mini tower.
Second one was P166MMX, again same story, cheap parts in baby AT mini tower.

Only desktop computers I saw were in banks where they had IBMs, DEC and like PCs. I didn't know anyone that had desktop case at home 😬.
I'd expect the similar situation was in Turkey.

That's surprising. I would have thought that former Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria would have the best stuff when it comes to former eastern-block countries in the 80s and early 90s...

In Poland you can still find desktops from late 80s/early 90s literally everywhere - by just talking to people around you can gather a nice bunch quickly. Sometimes it's even NOS (attached - friend's find from the last week). Also auction and ad services are full of them, although that stuff was usually brought by scrappers from German recycling centres and such (usually these will have better components inside). On the other hand we didn't really had much stuff like IBMs, DECs, Compaqs and so on - these were usually brought by corporations in the mid 90s or some schools and companies bought them as second hand stuff from other countries, but they were non-existent when it comes to households.

I think Ukraine and Poland kind of special in that they were technology/defense hubs for the USSR, were they not?

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Reply 43641 of 45391, by HanJammer

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appiah4 wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:53:

I think Ukraine and Poland kind of special in that they were technology/defense hubs for the USSR, were they not?

While it's true about Ukraine (but it was part of USSR) - Poland was mostly agricultural and mining industry. Also some automotive industry, and ship yards...

Although Poland had several big 'foreign trade enterprises' selling clone PCs to other countries (I have some interesting articles about them) and in the early 90s after there were smaller companies building computers for Polish market (Gulip / Gulipin above was among them) or importing complete builds from Singapore and Taiwan.

There was some electronics industry, and we had PC clones for the domestic market (and some exported to USSR and later to Russia) - for example Mazovia but those were pretty horrible.

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Reply 43642 of 45391, by Solo761

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HanJammer wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:46:

That's surprising. I would have thought that former Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria would have the best stuff when it comes to former eastern-block countries in the 80s and early 90s...

There weren't that many computers here in the 80s, in early to mid 80s there were some localy made DIY computers, mostly based on Z80 CPU, and in later 80s smaller home computers like C64, Amstrad (mostly Schneider, as they were from Germany), Amiga, Atari... and they were smuggled accross the border into Yugoslavia.

If you wanted to get one legaly you were limited to these local diy computers or you had to have connections in the goverment to get permit to import one of the western computers. Goverment logic was that these were dangerous things and if you got one you could have built a rocket, use said computer as guidance, and fire it on said goverment (true story, that was one of the official reasons for denial of these permits 😁) so it wasn't easy or cheap to get one.

In late 80s inflation was rampant so people didn't have excess money to spend on "toys" like computers, and in early 90s there was a war so people again had something more to worry about than computers. Computers got more widespread in late 90s / early 2000s thanks to these cheap(er) DIY build PCs.
When looking on local classified ads there's never a lot of vintage computers. And what's available is sold by mostly few people who seem to picked up what little there was and now look to profit on it 😬.

Reply 43643 of 45391, by HanJammer

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Solo761 wrote on 2022-04-01, 12:29:
HanJammer wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:46:

That's surprising. I would have thought that former Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria would have the best stuff when it comes to former eastern-block countries in the 80s and early 90s...

There weren't that many computers here in the 80s, in early to mid 80s there were some localy made DIY computers, mostly based on Z80 CPU, and in later 80s smaller home computers like C64, Amstrad (mostly Schneider, as they were from Germany), Amiga, Atari... and they were smuggled accross the border into Yugoslavia.

Ah, yes:
https://flashbak.com/yugoslavian-computer-mag … 80s-90s-370271/

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Reply 43644 of 45391, by BitWrangler

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Scored an 80% (? ish) set of key caps at the thrift. Now to toss out the grubby crappy ones off my Model M SSK....

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Heh, it's that date, April 1st, yeah these aren't going on the SSK nor am I about to trash the originals off it. Actually wanted it in the pic, but it's somewhere not easy to get at the moment and I was running out of time before noon local time. For total disclosure, I actually picked these up last night.

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Reply 43645 of 45391, by Radical Vision

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Got this new garbage... The 480 shows this crap... The 7950 GX2 does not have signal at all... At least with another card i can see the OS detects the damn thing.... Overall not happy at all, but got both for 17 euro (shitting included) so cant be too sad about it... Sad part is that good pieces of tech dont work properly....

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R7 3700x/ Aorus x370 K7/ RX 6800XT/ X-Fi THD
K7 2.6/ NF7-S V2/ HD3850/ X-Fi
IBM x2 P3 1.4/ DX34R-U/Voodoo V 5.5k/ Audigy
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IBM PS/2 Model 56
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Reply 43646 of 45391, by BitWrangler

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Downclock RAM and core on the 480, if pic comes in fine then, then consider recapping.

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Reply 43648 of 45391, by Radical Vision

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I will clean both cards, with 95% isopropyl alcohol, and maybe electrical contact cleaner spray too. But from my experience, most of the time parts that work like shit dont get fixed simply with one cleaning.. But will see, i am more interested to see if the 7950 GX2 will show signal after the aslcohol cleaning + the contact cleaner....

Mah systems retro, old, newer (Radical stuff)
R7 3700x/ Aorus x370 K7/ RX 6800XT/ X-Fi THD
K7 2.6/ NF7-S V2/ HD3850/ X-Fi
IBM x2 P3 1.4/ DX34R-U/Voodoo V 5.5k/ Audigy
IBM PC365 S8
Compaq DeskPro 486/33
IBM PS/2 Model 56
SPS IntelleXT 8088

Reply 43649 of 45391, by chrismeyer6

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With the gx2 make sure that both cards are firmly seated together I remember a friend back in the day had a similar issue with his. We fully disassembled the cards and reassembled them and it worked perfectly again. They can wiggle apart from thermocycling and rough handling.

Reply 43650 of 45391, by EvieSigma

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I got a double dose of retro hardware delivered today, a Dell Dimension XPS P133c and an IBM ThinkPad A22m. This Dell is an absolute tank, I love it.

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Reply 43652 of 45391, by BitWrangler

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Sleep/Wake/Crash button probably.

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Reply 43654 of 45391, by pentiumspeed

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Remember: A22 is one of these models with GPU breaking. Make sure the cooling system is clean.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 43655 of 45391, by EvieSigma

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2022-04-01, 21:41:

Remember: A22 is one of these models with GPU breaking. Make sure the cooling system is clean.

Cheers,

It is? Maybe that's what killed my A21 four years ago.

Reply 43656 of 45391, by pentiumspeed

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Yes, this what happened. Frequently mentioned on the thinkpad forums (not here).

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 43657 of 45391, by pete8475

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Radical Vision wrote on 2022-04-01, 15:10:
Got this new garbage... The 480 shows this crap... The 7950 GX2 does not have signal at all... At least with another card i can […]
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Got this new garbage... The 480 shows this crap... The 7950 GX2 does not have signal at all... At least with another card i can see the OS detects the damn thing.... Overall not happy at all, but got both for 17 euro (shitting included) so cant be too sad about it... Sad part is that good pieces of tech dont work properly....

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I think those 7950's cook themselves, I've seen 2 dead ones in person.

Reply 43658 of 45391, by appiah4

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EvieSigma wrote on 2022-04-01, 19:24:
I got a double dose of retro hardware delivered today, a Dell Dimension XPS P133c and an IBM ThinkPad A22m. This Dell is an abso […]
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I got a double dose of retro hardware delivered today, a Dell Dimension XPS P133c and an IBM ThinkPad A22m. This Dell is an absolute tank, I love it.

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What is that strange PCI audio card in the Dell?

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Reply 43659 of 45391, by cyclone3d

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appiah4 wrote on 2022-04-02, 04:45:
EvieSigma wrote on 2022-04-01, 19:24:
I got a double dose of retro hardware delivered today, a Dell Dimension XPS P133c and an IBM ThinkPad A22m. This Dell is an abso […]
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I got a double dose of retro hardware delivered today, a Dell Dimension XPS P133c and an IBM ThinkPad A22m. This Dell is an absolute tank, I love it.

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What is that strange PCI audio card in the Dell?

Looks like an Ensoniq ES1370 based card to me.

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