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Reply 35820 of 37721, by darry

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Horun wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:00:
darry wrote on 2020-09-07, 22:40:
Horun wrote on 2020-09-07, 22:38:

Just bought a Antec 350watt ATX PSU from 2006, box was never opened, the inside plastic bag was also still sealed. Got it from a local thrift store on my way home from work just a few hours ago, cost $30. It is a cheaper model but does have OPP, OVP and SCP. Weighs 2.5lbs so not heavy but not light. Voltages are near perfect for a 14 year old PSU, was hoping they would be. Only down side: no -5v but am OK with that.

Have you checked the brand(s) of the capacitors ?

No have not opened it yet, but will later tonite. Hopefully not junk brands.....I know Electro's can actually fail faster if not used.

Antec seems to have been having a love affair of sorts with Fuhjyyu electrolytics at about that time .

Reply 35821 of 37721, by martinot

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Miphee wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:23:
yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:01:

Chance the China ones are fake: High.

China =/= fake, it's just a popular misconception spread by people who can't compete with their prices & free shipping so they try to convince their customers that Chinese (imported) products are all bad. No. Business owners always shout fakes when people buy directly from the manufacturer and not from them. Cutting out the middle man greatly reduces costs for the buyer and I can buy a single capacitor with free shipping. That simple.

It do exists fakes in China. I know one person who got a fake HDD when he visited China. He thought he bought a genuine Samsung external hard disk, but it was more of a very small USB memory (sort of) instead. It looked something like the one in this news article:

https://www.neowin.net/news/fake-chinese-500- … ight-literally/

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Reply 35822 of 37721, by Horun

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darry wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:30:
Horun wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:00:
darry wrote on 2020-09-07, 22:40:

Have you checked the brand(s) of the capacitors ?

No have not opened it yet, but will later tonite. Hopefully not junk brands.....I know Electro's can actually fail faster if not used.

Antec seems to have been having a love affair of sorts with Fuhjyyu electrolytics at about that time .

edit Added: They are nearly all (even the small ones) TEAPO 105c but cannot read the series, so not the best but not the worst. And yes need to watch them. None bulging or any tan leakage junk top/around them. Am going to fire it up on an old board and let it run a few hours...

Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 35823 of 37721, by chrismeyer6

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martinot wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:39:
It do exists fakes in China. I know one person who got a fake HDD when he visited China. He thought he bought a genuine Samsung […]
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Miphee wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:23:
yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:01:

Chance the China ones are fake: High.

China =/= fake, it's just a popular misconception spread by people who can't compete with their prices & free shipping so they try to convince their customers that Chinese (imported) products are all bad. No. Business owners always shout fakes when people buy directly from the manufacturer and not from them. Cutting out the middle man greatly reduces costs for the buyer and I can buy a single capacitor with free shipping. That simple.

It do exists fakes in China. I know one person who got a fake HDD when he visited China. He thought he bought a genuine Samsung external hard disk, but it was more of a very small USB memory (sort of) instead. It looked something like the one in this news article:

https://www.neowin.net/news/fake-chinese-500- … ight-literally/

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That's pretty good. I remember my cousin won an L-pod from a ring toss game at the boardwalk about 10 years ago.

Reply 35824 of 37721, by Horun

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darry wrote on 2020-09-05, 07:36:
I have seen counterfeit branded SD/CF cards, counterfeit Prolific brand USB serial chips, a counterfeit branded high end car ste […]
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Miphee wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:23:
yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:01:

Chance the China ones are fake: High.

China =/= fake, it's just a popular misconception spread by people who can't compete with their prices & free shipping so they try to convince their customers that Chinese (imported) products are all bad. No. Business owners always shout fakes when people buy directly from the manufacturer and not from them. Cutting out the middle man greatly reduces costs for the buyer and I can buy a single capacitor with free shipping. That simple.

I have seen counterfeit branded SD/CF cards, counterfeit Prolific brand USB serial chips, a counterfeit branded high end car stereo head unit and that's just off the top of my head personal or first-hand accounts (friends), and confirmed by the manufacturer whose good's were couterfeited ( through direct communication or software tools provided) or by comparing product packaging/appareance/performance . Even chinese companies like Autoelectric (TL866) have info on their site about identifying counterfeits . There are many other documented counterfeit products, often originally from China (obviously not exclusively from there).

China is the manufacturing hub of the world, it makes sense that a lot the products we buy, both genuine and counterfeit originate there .

As for genuine Panasonic capacitors being available from China, and cheaper, I have no doubt about that . The problem I see is that, unless you are buying from the actual manufacturer, a subsidiary, an authorized distributor (or at least a known reliable one), whether in China or elsewhere, how do you know that you are getting the real thing ? Counterfeit (re-branded) capacitors are a well documented phenomenon, AFAIK .

Agree ! I have seen counterfeit caps off ebay that were no where near the same as the ones bought from Digikey, they were poorly printed and very odd plastic coverings. Also saw a fake Nvidia card a friend bought. Supposed to be a newer model but had a earlier generation chip on it (that only a utility like GPUZ would tell you unless you pulled the heatsink/fan off) he bought straight from someone in China. Fakes do exist, no doubt about it. The odds of getting one "if you are smart" are rare. The odds of getting one today are fairly good if you go with the cheapest source possible (the old saying: if to the price is too good to be true, there is a reason 😀)

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Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 35825 of 37721, by debs3759

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martinot wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:39:
Miphee wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:23:
yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-05, 06:01:

Chance the China ones are fake: High.

China =/= fake, it's just a popular misconception spread by people who can't compete with their prices & free shipping so they try to convince their customers that Chinese (imported) products are all bad. No. Business owners always shout fakes when people buy directly from the manufacturer and not from them. Cutting out the middle man greatly reduces costs for the buyer and I can buy a single capacitor with free shipping. That simple.

It do exists fakes in China. I know one person who got a fake HDD when he visited China. He thought he bought a genuine Samsung external hard disk, but it was more of a very small USB memory (sort of) instead. It looked something like the one in this news article:

I bought a 1TB pen drive. Even managed to format it. It seems it has firmware that lets the system believe it is 1TB. No idea how much space it really has, because it is impossible to write files to it! Only £10 though, so I really should have been more suspicious of it 😀

I've had so much decent hardware for very cheap from China that a £10 drive is not worth complaining about 😀

Reply 35826 of 37721, by darry

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Horun wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:55:
darry wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:30:
Horun wrote on 2020-09-07, 23:00:

No have not opened it yet, but will later tonite. Hopefully not junk brands.....I know Electro's can actually fail faster if not used.

Antec seems to have been having a love affair of sorts with Fuhjyyu electrolytics at about that time .

edit Added: They are nearly all (even the small ones) TEAPO 105c but cannot read the series, so not the best but not the worst. And yes need to watch them. None bulging or any tan leakage junk top/around them. Am going to fire it up on an old board and let it run a few hours...

Good news. You apparently got lucky there, playing the mid-2000s Antec lottery .

Reply 35827 of 37721, by andrea

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debs3759 wrote on 2020-09-08, 00:23:

I bought a 1TB pen drive. Even managed to format it. It seems it has firmware that lets the system believe it is 1TB. No idea how much space it really has, because it is impossible to write files to it! Only £10 though, so I really should have been more suspicious of it 😀

Use ChipGenius to find out what kind of controller the pendrive has, then search for that chipset's "mptool" and use that to reinitialize the drive to its proper size.

Reply 35828 of 37721, by appiah4

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Teapos from 14-15 year ago are the epitome of capacitor plague in my experience, all my Socket A stuff with Teapo caps bulged and leaked.

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Reply 35829 of 37721, by Quadrachewski

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Are these cards worth something?
A friend of mine plans to offload like 30 of them for $20, they have a proprietary dual DVI port but not much else, simple noiseless office video cards with multiple display support (up to 10 on a single machine according to the guy).

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Reply 35830 of 37721, by debs3759

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Quadrachewski wrote on 2020-09-08, 11:55:

Are these cards worth something?
A friend of mine plans to offload like 30 of them for $20, they have a proprietary dual DVI port but not much else, simple noiseless office video cards with multiple display support (up to 10 on a single machine according to the guy).

Can you post a pic of the connector if you have access to them? I'm wondering if it might be DSM-59, which is an uncommon but standard connector that there are splitter cables available for. Most NVS 300 had that connector.

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Reply 35831 of 37721, by appiah4

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5 years ago I would have bought one for my mATX LP Media Center PC but now I have 4 Raspberry Pi 3B's so... not really..

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Reply 35832 of 37721, by Quadrachewski

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debs3759 wrote on 2020-09-08, 12:31:

Can you post a pic of the connector if you have access to them? I'm wondering if it might be DSM-59

Here it is, it's the DSM-59 you mentioned.

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Reply 35833 of 37721, by waterbeesje

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Got this board very cheap:
IBASE MB930f-r
Q35 chipset, Socket 775, with all connectors you can think of, except SCSI (and mfm Winchester).
Dual PS/2, VGA output (Intel) and one ISA slot that does not support DMA. IDE and compactflash ( = over IDE) ports not bootable.

Is this any good?

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Box was filled up with cardboard and some CPU trays, still containing 14 CPU's, all sl6n6 celeron mobile 1400 s478.

Will these work in just any s478 system?

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Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 35834 of 37721, by imi

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In todays installment of "things I never thought I'd own"... the scrap gods were kind to me

they didn't do a particularly good job at removing the markings on this one ^^ can still make them out faintly
but then again, it seems to be a later one from '91 so not much reason to by then anyways ^^

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Reply 35835 of 37721, by ildonaldo

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Adlib is always worth to salvage, had one back in '91 myself, was the very first of my (PC)audiocards*.
It's a pity, all the treasured hardware that got lost, sold, given away over the decades ...
((gave plenty of it away myself))

* after Commodore PET, VC20, C64, ST1024

For my builds it's "no CF-disks, no Floppy emulators, no modern cases etc.", only the real and authentic stuff whenever possible/sensible/affordable.

Reply 35836 of 37721, by imi

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unfortunately I don't even remember what my first soundcard was 😒

I know I had an AWE64 in the PC I bought in 1998 and had no sound card but only PC speaker sound as late as around 1995/96 probably, but there are no records really of what was in between then...
I have a photo of our PC in 1996 with speakers so we got a sound card then... maybe it was the AWE64 already? maybe something else, I wish I knew.

looking back it's amazing how long we made due with just the PC speaker sound, all the way from back in 1988 to 1996, but then again also had 386 machines for that whole period too, I assume we got our first sound card when we upgraded to a pentium in 96.
maybe that's why that style of sound is so ingrained in my head, hearing the monkey island theme with a PC speaker is almost more fullfilling than all the "superior" versions.

Reply 35837 of 37721, by ildonaldo

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imi wrote on 2020-09-08, 16:07:

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looking back it's amazing how long we made due with just the PC speaker sound,
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I even got a "original" 1.44 disk with the Windows 3.1 PC-Speaker Sounddriver 😀
Oh dear, Monkey Island 😀, time to get out my 486 ...

For my builds it's "no CF-disks, no Floppy emulators, no modern cases etc.", only the real and authentic stuff whenever possible/sensible/affordable.

Reply 35838 of 37721, by Gered

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Every time I buy another CRT monitor, I tell myself "ok, now I really have enough. no more!" ... and then I buy another one. If only there was some way to ban use of certain search terms from yourself on places like eBay/craigslist/kijiji 😀

Sony CPD 210GS. Needs some cleaning but featuring a beautifully bright tube. Original owner said it saw very limited use, though I'm not sure how much I trust him... but seems like it might be true.

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Only issues really were that it did not have the original stand attached (minor annoyance, but would be awesome if I could find a replacement somewhere) and that the "enter" button on the front looked like it had been smacked with something and was pressed in far too much. After popping it out it works fine, so meh.

486DX2-66/16MB/S3 Trio32 VLB/SBPro2/GUS
P233 MMX/64MB/Voodoo2/Matrox/YMF719/GUS CD3
Duron 800/256MB/Savage4 Pro/SBLive (IN PROGRESS)
Toshiba 430CDT

Reply 35839 of 37721, by Quadrachewski

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Gered wrote on 2020-09-08, 18:33:

If only there was some way to ban use of certain search terms from yourself on places like eBay/craigslist/kijiji 😀

I use the ElementHider extension in Chrome to block spamming sellers. Should work for this purpose as well 😉