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Reply 39140 of 44667, by snufkin

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appiah4 wrote on 2021-05-24, 08:21:
schlang wrote on 2021-05-23, 18:03:

awesome. I still use my Sw3DPro in Windows 10

I thought Sidewinder joysticks were a no go in Windows 10? I have a Precision 2 still NIB..

There's an Atmel based project to convert some of the Sidewinders to USB, which worked for my 3D Pro Plus:
https://www.descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t … 15526&start=280

Reply 39141 of 44667, by appiah4

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snufkin wrote on 2021-05-24, 08:48:
appiah4 wrote on 2021-05-24, 08:21:
schlang wrote on 2021-05-23, 18:03:

awesome. I still use my Sw3DPro in Windows 10

I thought Sidewinder joysticks were a no go in Windows 10? I have a Precision 2 still NIB..

There's an Atmel based project to convert some of the Sidewinders to USB, which worked for my 3D Pro Plus:
https://www.descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t … 15526&start=280

The Precision 2 is already USB, I think it's a driver problem for this stick?

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Reply 39142 of 44667, by badmojo

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The Sidewinder 3D Pro rocks - best stick in my collection. Comfortable, emulates the 2 most popular sticks of the era, and works great in DOS too 👍

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Reply 39143 of 44667, by schlang

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I bought one of these years ago when the price was still reasonable: https://www.yard2usb.de/joomla/index.php/sidewinder-usb

PC#1: K6-III+ 400 | 512MB | Geforce4 | Voodoo1 | SB Live | AWE64 | GUS PNP Pro
PC#2: 486DX2-66 | 64MB | Riva128 | AWE64 | GUS PNP | PAS16
PC#3: 386DX-40 | 32MB | CL-GD5434 | SB Pro | GUS MAX | PAS16

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Reply 39144 of 44667, by PC@LIVE

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Purchased today a motherboard with CPU and RAM.
It is a motherboard for CPU 386DX, the CPU is an AMD 386DX-40MHz, the RAM is 30 PIN (8 banks tot.) Of 1MB each, in total there are 4MB.
I have some ISA cards aside, some VGA various controllers, and even some sound cards.
The card will be shipped in the next few days (provided the seller doesn't change his mind in the meantime), and should arrive within a few days.
It has a battery that should be replaced, the nearby area needs cleaning, the vendor says the card was working but hasn't started it for a while.

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AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB

Reply 39145 of 44667, by pan069

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-05-24, 20:17:

... the vendor says the card was working but hasn't started it for a while.

"for a while"? Probably more like a decade. If this board works with all the corrosion around the battery I'll eat my hat.

Get that battery of there asap. Then soak the whole area in white vinegar for a few minutes, then rinse thoroughly with IPA. Then check what the damage it.

Reply 39146 of 44667, by PC@LIVE

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pan069 wrote on 2021-05-24, 20:33:
PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-05-24, 20:17:

... the vendor says the card was working but hasn't started it for a while.

"for a while"? Probably more like a decade. If this board works with all the corrosion around the battery I'll eat my hat.

Get that battery of there asap. Then soak the whole area in white vinegar for a few minutes, then rinse thoroughly with IPA. Then check what the damage it.

Ok I hope in spite of everything it can work, thank you for the suggestion, I'll try to do as you say as soon as it arrives.
The seller did not specify how many years ago it was started, but I hope it was not damaged too much in the battery area and in the nearby ones.
For the rest if I can recover it, I'll try to find a co-processor, or at least I could change the CPU and FPU, putting a Cyrix 486DLC-40 and an IIT-40.

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB

Reply 39147 of 44667, by debs3759

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-05-24, 20:17:
Purchased today a motherboard with CPU and RAM. It is a motherboard for CPU 386DX, the CPU is an AMD 386DX-40MHz, the RAM is 30 […]
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Purchased today a motherboard with CPU and RAM.
It is a motherboard for CPU 386DX, the CPU is an AMD 386DX-40MHz, the RAM is 30 PIN (8 banks tot.) Of 1MB each, in total there are 4MB.
I have some ISA cards aside, some VGA various controllers, and even some sound cards.
The card will be shipped in the next few days (provided the seller doesn't change his mind in the meantime), and should arrive within a few days.
It has a battery that should be replaced, the nearby area needs cleaning, the vendor says the card was working but hasn't started it for a while.

It's two banks of memory, 4 slots is one bank on a 386. Nice find though, I've been looking for a 386 socketed board at a sensible (for me) price.

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Reply 39148 of 44667, by mpe

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Picked Biostar MB-8500UUR. I already own other UMC8890 based Pentium motherboards. However, this one is the only one with early -AF version of the chipset. I can't wait to see how it compares with -BF motherboards in my Pentium chipsets comparison. I am keen finding out where is the bad reputation of Pentium UMC chipsets coming from...

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Reply 39149 of 44667, by PC@LIVE

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debs3759 wrote on 2021-05-24, 21:25:
PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-05-24, 20:17:
Purchased today a motherboard with CPU and RAM. It is a motherboard for CPU 386DX, the CPU is an AMD 386DX-40MHz, the RAM is 30 […]
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Purchased today a motherboard with CPU and RAM.
It is a motherboard for CPU 386DX, the CPU is an AMD 386DX-40MHz, the RAM is 30 PIN (8 banks tot.) Of 1MB each, in total there are 4MB.
I have some ISA cards aside, some VGA various controllers, and even some sound cards.
The card will be shipped in the next few days (provided the seller doesn't change his mind in the meantime), and should arrive within a few days.
It has a battery that should be replaced, the nearby area needs cleaning, the vendor says the card was working but hasn't started it for a while.

It's two banks of memory, 4 slots is one bank on a 386. Nice find though, I've been looking for a 386 socketed board at a sensible (for me) price.

Yes ok thanks.
You're right, it's two banks of four each, if everything goes well and works, I can put in another 4MB, so I would get a total of 8MB of RAM.
Probably this card supports RAM of higher capacity, for example those of 4MB each, unfortunately I have never had any and wanting to find them they cost a lot.
The cost was quite low, less than $ 15 (including shipping), but it remains unknown whether it is still working after years of inactivity.

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB

Reply 39150 of 44667, by pentiumspeed

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Also do not use the CMD640 IDE chipset. Buggy and corrupts. Get a 3ware 2 port raid card. Works great as one drive mode and also bootable.

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Reply 39152 of 44667, by BitWrangler

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-05-24, 21:46:
Yes ok thanks. You're right, it's two banks of four each, if everything goes well and works, I can put in another 4MB, so I woul […]
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Yes ok thanks.
You're right, it's two banks of four each, if everything goes well and works, I can put in another 4MB, so I would get a total of 8MB of RAM.
Probably this card supports RAM of higher capacity, for example those of 4MB each, unfortunately I have never had any and wanting to find them they cost a lot.
The cost was quite low, less than $ 15 (including shipping), but it remains unknown whether it is still working after years of inactivity.

IMO there's barely anything worth running on the slower half of 486 or any 386s that needs more than 8MB, and even some things that say they want 8 run on 6. (Once you get to 95-96 era software though, 9x better on 16MB and X window on linux distros of the time) Keep your eyes open for "bag/box of old RAM" deals though on local used markets, can get a surprising variety for cheap.

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Reply 39153 of 44667, by Living

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for pure DOS you dont really need more than:

286 = 1mb
386 = 4mb
almost all 486 = 8mb

there is almost no programs that run OK with more memory on that processors

Reply 39154 of 44667, by schlang

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as always, it depends. if you have a fast 386 with 8mb you can play a lot of games where you would have otherwise needed a 486

PC#1: K6-III+ 400 | 512MB | Geforce4 | Voodoo1 | SB Live | AWE64 | GUS PNP Pro
PC#2: 486DX2-66 | 64MB | Riva128 | AWE64 | GUS PNP | PAS16
PC#3: 386DX-40 | 32MB | CL-GD5434 | SB Pro | GUS MAX | PAS16

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Reply 39155 of 44667, by cyclone3d

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Living wrote on 2021-05-25, 02:03:
for pure DOS you dont really need more than: […]
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for pure DOS you dont really need more than:

286 = 1mb
386 = 4mb
almost all 486 = 8mb

there is almost no programs that run OK with more memory on that processors

Heresy!!!! The RAMs should be maxed out. If they weren't meant to be filled then why are they there in the first place?

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Reply 39156 of 44667, by Caluser2000

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-05-25, 04:47:
Living wrote on 2021-05-25, 02:03:
for pure DOS you dont really need more than: […]
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for pure DOS you dont really need more than:

286 = 1mb
386 = 4mb
almost all 486 = 8mb

there is almost no programs that run OK with more memory on that processors

Heresy!!!! The RAMs should be maxed out. If they weren't meant to be filled then why are they there in the first place?

Exaccackery. Mr 486DX2/50 with 32 megs of ram runs OS/2 v3 Warp run waaaay smoother than my 496DX2/66 with 8megs of ram.

My Zenith 286LP Plus with 8megs of ram, which runs 24/7 most of the time, runs MS Windows 3.1 as sweet as a nut.

Dos wasn't the only game in town back then.

The 386DX25 that was given to me had 8megs on it. That ran Dos based surveying software back in 1889 on it's 100meg mac scsi drive.

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Reply 39158 of 44667, by jheronimus

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Living wrote on 2021-05-25, 02:03:

there is almost no programs that run OK with more memory on that processors

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've run 386 with 8MB and 486 with 32MB, no issues. I do remember DOS memory managers not liking more than 64MB of RAM, but then again they just ignore anything beyond that.

Reply 39159 of 44667, by gerry

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jheronimus wrote on 2021-05-25, 07:28:
Living wrote on 2021-05-25, 02:03:

there is almost no programs that run OK with more memory on that processors

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've run 386 with 8MB and 486 with 32MB, no issues. I do remember DOS memory managers not liking more than 64MB of RAM, but then again they just ignore anything beyond that.

maybe just means that (almost) no contemporary software requires or even utilises more than 1 or 4 or 8 mb ram for those typical 286/386/486 systems

but yes, DOS certainly copes just fine with extra

I'm sure there are a few applications that use extra RAM if its there and in a 486, if you use windows 95 or NT4 then I'd say 16mb is a minimum for comfortable use