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Reply 80 of 126, by Jinxter

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A few days ago i learned that the EuroPC support the 16 Color CGA mode called Plantronics mode. I have made a video about it.
Take a look: https://youtu.be/QbRq35s12yg

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Reply 81 of 126, by Jinxter

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2016-04-25, 18:26:

in 1990 i bought a 8bit joystick-card for two analog joysticks.
the "digital" joystick 9pin is not usable. don't know any working joystick or game for that.

I just made this video about digital joystick on PC.: https://youtu.be/Kk_TplXl5_Q

When i was i Joystick mode, i started think about the EuroPC joystick port. If this pinout i found is correct, an Atari style joystick should work.

1 - Xb / UP
2 - Xa / DOWN
3 - Ya / LEFT
4 - Yb / RIGHT
5 - Middle button / JOY1_Select (to GND)
6 - Left button / JOY2_Select (to GND)
7 - Vcc
8 - GND
9 - Right button / FIRE

Have you found anything about the joystick port, since we last talked about this in 2016?

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Reply 82 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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No sorry, did not made any tests since then.

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Reply 83 of 126, by konc

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Jinxter wrote on 2021-04-01, 11:24:
I just made this video about digital joystick on PC.: https://youtu.be/Kk_TplXl5_Q […]
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dr.zeissler wrote on 2016-04-25, 18:26:

in 1990 i bought a 8bit joystick-card for two analog joysticks.
the "digital" joystick 9pin is not usable. don't know any working joystick or game for that.

I just made this video about digital joystick on PC.: https://youtu.be/Kk_TplXl5_Q

When i was i Joystick mode, i started think about the EuroPC joystick port. If this pinout i found is correct, an Atari style joystick should work.

1 - Xb / UP
2 - Xa / DOWN
3 - Ya / LEFT
4 - Yb / RIGHT
5 - Middle button / JOY1_Select (to GND)
6 - Left button / JOY2_Select (to GND)
7 - Vcc
8 - GND
9 - Right button / FIRE

Have you found anything about the joystick port, since we last talked about this in 2016?

I doubt an 9-pin atari joystick will work. The Schneider's joystick is itself a normal PC 15-pin one which works on other computers, and other 15-pin PC joysticks work on the Schneider (using the Y-cable of course to connect them).

The pinout you have found is correct though, this is taken from the "Techniker-Schulung"-"Technician training":

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Reply 84 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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Keep in mind, that EuroPC1 is different from EuroPC2.
For the EuroPC1 you could get a dual joystick-card with 2 analoge 15 ports.
For the EuroPC2 you could get a y-cable with two 9pin digital ports for hooking up on the joystick-port of the EuroPC2 directly.

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Reply 85 of 126, by konc

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-04-01, 15:28:

Keep in mind, that EuroPC1 is different from EuroPC2.
For the EuroPC1 you could get a dual joystick-card with 2 analoge 15 ports.
For the EuroPC2 you could get a y-cable with two 9pin digital ports for hooking up on the joystick-port of the EuroPC2 directly.

The EuroPC part is correct, but I believe their joystick was the exact same common 15-pin PC joystick for both PC and PCII.
So for the PCII they did give the y-cable as you wrote, but it also has two 15-pin connectors for normal PC joysticks (and not two 9-pins)

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Reply 86 of 126, by Jinxter

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konc wrote on 2021-04-01, 16:25:

So for the PCII they did give the y-cable as you wrote, but it also has two 15-pin connectors for normal PC joysticks (and not two 9-pins)

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This was very informative. Thanks. So what about using a mouse on the same port, what kind of mouse? Is it the same as something we know - like the Amiga, or Atari mouse? What about driver?

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Reply 87 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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Thx for making that clear. I remembered this wrong. Sorry!

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Reply 88 of 126, by konc

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Jinxter wrote on 2021-04-01, 20:58:

This was very informative. Thanks. So what about using a mouse on the same port, what kind of mouse? Is it the same as something we know - like the Amiga, or Atari mouse? What about driver?

Yes, it is something we know but probably not what you'd expect: it uses the BUS mouse interface (derived from Microsoft's InPort).

There is a driver (mouse.sys) included in the "Works" floppies that came with the PC, a simple DEVICE=MOUSE.SYS suffices. I haven't tried other bus mice with this driver as I don't have any, and I also don't know about the opposite (other bus mice with their own driver on that port). In theory they should but who knows... I attached the driver just for it to exist here, it has a MS copyright "Microsoft (R) Mouse Driver Version 6.14".

You can always use a serial mouse of course.

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Reply 89 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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I use the serial-port on my t1000 to fire up a mt32. this should be possible on euro-pc too.

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-04-02, 07:57:

I use the serial-port on my t1000 to fire up a mt32. this should be possible on euro-pc too.

Could you elaborate?

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Reply 91 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?703 … -the-Tandy-PSSJ

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Reply 92 of 126, by Jinxter

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-04-02, 10:51:

I see they are much alike the LPT port audio adapters from Serdashop. And they also needs the games to be patched.
I have tested both the S2P - which gives general midi on the printerport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-TJjKvv_Y and the OPL3LPT. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0Rywud23Q - Sorry for spamming with links.

I see that there are a few games that is patched for for the, maybe i will try this out on EuroPC.

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Reply 93 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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Epic! 😀 https://youtu.be/MSvx0ddJREk

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-07-24, 09:27:

Wow. You inspired me. You have taken it all the way. Nice touch with rs232 midi. I must try that.

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Reply 95 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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you're welcome 😉

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Reply 96 of 126, by dr.zeissler

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if the early Sierra-titles had a plantronics mode even these could have 16 colors...but cga hires b+w looks cool too.

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If I have a HD20 from Schneider. Do you see a chance of using it with bigger CF card/Adapter-Solution, so that the ISA-Slot could remein free?
Or is it "hardwired" 8Bit IDE for XT-Drives which means 20-30MB and a real spinning and noisy harddisk?

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Reply 98 of 126, by konc

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-09-14, 12:59:

If I have a HD20 from Schneider. Do you see a chance of using it with bigger CF card/Adapter-Solution, so that the ISA-Slot could remein free?
Or is it "hardwired" 8Bit IDE for XT-Drives which means 20-30MB and a real spinning and noisy harddisk?

I strongly doubt it.
It's definitely not IDE, how could it be since it's an XT. The one I've seen had a Seagate ST325-X inside, which is 8-bit IDE or XTA and is the same drive used internally in the EuroPC XT desktop model

Zup wrote on 2016-06-22, 07:06:

Sorry to refloat this.

I'm collecting some information about PCem old computers, and I'm interested about HD20. Can anybody confirm which HDD lies inside that expansion?

I just saw your earlier post in this thread, quoting you to get a notification in case the information is still useful.

Reply 99 of 126, by Jinxter

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-09-14, 12:59:

If I have a HD20 from Schneider. Do you see a chance of using it with bigger CF card/Adapter-Solution, so that the ISA-Slot could remein free?
Or is it "hardwired" 8Bit IDE for XT-Drives which means 20-30MB and a real spinning and noisy harddisk?

If the HD20 can use a IDE drive, you could install a XTIDE BIOS (not XTIDE Controller - only BIOS) in the ISA slot. You can also use the TXIDE BIOS on a 8bit ISA network card.
And then use a IDE2CF og IDE2SD card in the HD20

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