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First post, by Windows9566

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My Mac Performa 6200cd won't read discs and on the apple system profiler under SCSI Bus 0,
it shows gibberish characters

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R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 2 of 20, by Windows9566

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it's a stock AppleCD 600i

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 4 of 20, by Istarian

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Was it working before or did you acquire the machine and it's never worked so far?

Maybe remove the cable connections and reconnect them making sure they're snug, as that looks like it's getting gibberish back from some command it's sending to the drive. Also double check the jumpers.

Reply 5 of 20, by Jo22

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I think the same. Also, maybe that SCSi isn't properly terminated at some point (better check).

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Reply 7 of 20, by Windows9566

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it has never worked since i got it from ebay. i tried a board from a LC 630 and it works fine.

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 8 of 20, by Windows9566

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Istarian wrote:

Was it working before or did you acquire the machine and it's never worked so far?

Maybe remove the cable connections and reconnect them making sure they're snug, as that looks like it's getting gibberish back from some command it's sending to the drive. Also double check the jumpers.

i have seen gibberish too on a PC when the IDE cable is not connected to the drive/motherboard IDE controller, firmly. i reseat it and it works fine. i guess i'll need to fully dismantle the machine, thoroughly clean the connectors, then try again. the plastic on the CD Drive sled is super brittle that it cracks with ease, i guess the plastic doesn't age well.

Last edited by Windows9566 on 2019-01-27, 18:58. Edited 1 time in total.

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 9 of 20, by yawetaG

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mrau wrote:

but are the device ids not retrieved as numbers? and the names from a local driver database?

The SCSI ID is retrieved properly ("3"). What seems to be corrupted is the device information: manufacturer name, product type, eventual revision number (i.e. information stored in the device's ROM). This is the same kind of info that would show up in a PC's BIOS information screen. One reason for it not showing properly would be a badly connected cable, another would be defective device electronics.

Reply 10 of 20, by Windows9566

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yawetaG wrote:
mrau wrote:

but are the device ids not retrieved as numbers? and the names from a local driver database?

The SCSI ID is retrieved properly ("3"). What seems to be corrupted is the device information: manufacturer name, product type, eventual revision number (i.e. information stored in the device's ROM). This is the same kind of info that would show up in a PC's BIOS information screen. One reason for it not showing properly would be a badly connected cable, another would be defective device electronics.

i bet there's no way to fix the defective electronics 🙁 it's just dead.

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 11 of 20, by Windows9566

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i tried cleaning the gold fingers on the logic board/cd drive, checking the jumpers, etc. no dice. i guess it's faulty electronics. i just messaged the seller on ebay saying it's defective, hopefully i get a refund

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 13 of 20, by Windows9566

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i just stuck to the 68k mac lc 580 board that i have, i have a working PPC machine anyway (Power Mac 6100/66)

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 15 of 20, by luckybob

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Recap the motherboard.

Yes this sounds weird, but this is an issue with failing caps on ALL old macs. I have a 660AV. Internal scsi wouldn't work like you showed. a simple recap solved the issue.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 16 of 20, by Windows9566

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i didn't see any leaky electrolyte on the board

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 17 of 20, by Koltoroc

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Windows9566 wrote:

i didn't see any leaky electrolyte on the board

They don't have to leak to have gone bad, capacitors can still look perfectly fine despite having failed. That is why a visual inspection is not sufficient.

Reply 18 of 20, by luckybob

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Koltoroc wrote:
Windows9566 wrote:

i didn't see any leaky electrolyte on the board

They don't have to leak to have gone bad, capacitors can still look perfectly fine despite having failed. That is why a visual inspection is not sufficient.

+1

The caps Apple used did not have longevity in mind in their designs. They were designed to work for a few years then pop like grapes. I've gotten to the place where I order caps before I even turn on an Apple product. They ALWAYS need to be replaced.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 19 of 20, by Windows9566

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i guess that apple didn't want to build their machines to last.

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS