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First post, by GiSWiG

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I have two Voodoo 1 cards, both "seem" to not work or broke, but I don't believe that. I know it is possible but the seller on ebay stated he tested it working before sale. He has a 100%-99% rating and many ratings and accepts returns so I tend to believe it.

I'm using, as the topic says, an ASUS P3B-F w/ two ISA slots. I have an unlocked P2 400 and have ran it at both 66MHz and 100MHz, although I still with 66MHz.
A voodoo rush works fine in it, quite well actually but DOS compatibility sucks. Although I could put a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP, I'm going with more DOS with voodoo 1 capabilities.

Here is a list of things that I have tried although there maybe others:
-Used the following 2D capable cards:
Diamond Stealth 64 Video 2001 PCI S3Trio64+ (Desired primary 2D card)
nvidia TNT (Diamond Viper V550) AGP
Matrox G2 AGP
Voodoo 3 3000

With the Diamond Stealth 64 and Voodoo 1, I tried probably every combo of PCI slots. With the AGP cards, the Voodoo 1 was tried in every PCI slot for at least one card (V550 I think) but tried multiple PCI slots with the others.

I used a variety of RAM, both 66MHz and 100MHz with sizes from 32MB to 512MB.

I tried several BIOS settings, too many to remember.

I think I'm at the end here but I want to know if anyone has had a Voodoo 1 working in a ASUS P3B-F board? P2B-F is very similar and I have one of those two.

Thanks for any input!

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Reply 1 of 23, by Doornkaat

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I've run several Voodoo 1 on a P3B-F with Pentium II 350.
One Maxi Gamer 3D didn't work on anything faster than a 266 or 300 MHz (not sure which was the max anymore) and only with early and late drivers. It did not work with Win98 onboard drivers. The card had a 96 mfg date.
Maybe those cards are similar divas?

Reply 2 of 23, by Cyrix200+

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How does it not work?

Does it show up in the PCI Device listing of the BIOS? I think a Voodoo is a 'Multimedia Device'.
Is it recognized in any other way? Drivers in Windows or a Voodoo supporting game in DOS?

1982 to 2001

Reply 3 of 23, by red-ray

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Does the Voodoo 1 show up on the PCI Bus at all? There are many programs you could use to check with one being my SIV utility

[PCI Bus] <- SIV64X - System Information Viewer V5.43 Beta-04 RK3::ray

Bus-Numb-Fun IRQ Vendor-Dev-Sub_OEM-Rev Class (255) Vendor and Device Description

[0 - 00 - 0] 8086-7190-00000000-03 Host Bridge Intel 82443BX 440BX Chipset CPU to PCI Bridge (AGP Implemented)
[0 - 01 - 0] 8086-7191-00000000-03 PCI Bridge (0-1) Intel 82443BX 440BX Chipset PCI to AGP Bridge
[0 - 07 - 0] 8086-7110-00000000-02 ISA Bridge Intel 82371EB PIIX4E ISA Bridge
[0 - 07 - 1] 8086-7111-00000000-01 EIDE Controller Intel 82371EB PIIX4E EIDE Controller
[0 - 07 - 2] 19 8086-7112-00000000-01 UHCI Controller Intel 82371EB PIIX4E USB UHCI Controller
[0 - 07 - 3] 8086-7113-00000000-02 Other Bridge Intel 82371EB PIIX4E Power Management Controller
[0 - 08 - 0] 16 102B-051A-1100102B-03 VGA Controller Matrox MGA-1164SG Mystique [GPU-0]
[0 - 09 - 0] 17 102B-051A-FFFFFFFF-02 VGA Controller Matrox MGA-1064SG Mystique [GPU-1]
[0 - 10 - 0] 3388-0021-00000000-13 PCI Bridge (0-2) PLX PCI 6140/52/6254 HB1/1-SE/HB6 Universal PCI to PCI Bridge (non-transparent mode)
[0 - 11 - 0] 121A-0001-00000000-02 Video Controller 3dfx Voodoo1 3D Accelerator [GPU-2]
[0 - 12 - 0] 16 1011-0019-500B1011-30 Ethernet Controller Digital DE500-BA Fast EtherWORKS PCI 10/100 Adapter
[1 - 00 - 0] 16 121A-0009-0002121A-01 VGA Controller 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP [GPU-3]
[2 - 00 - 0] 18 102B-0525-0D43102B-85 VGA Controller Matrox Millennium G450 Dual Head DVI PCI [GPU-4]

Total of 3 PCI buses and 13 PCI devices in 0.085 seconds. Device names from D:\SIV\SIVPCI.txt Date 2019-10-23 Version 237 (125,535)

[ OK ] [ Copy] [Windows] [Machine] [USB Bus] [Network] [ SPD ] [HID Bus] [Volumes] [SMB Bus] [PCI Bus] [PCI Dev] [ALL Dev]

Reply 5 of 23, by Cyrix200+

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Is the problem the exact same one as the one you posted here? Got used Voodoo 1 card, it does not appear to be working for 3D, pass-through works

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Reply 6 of 23, by GiSWiG

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To all of you:
- Both Voodoo cards are Diamond Monster 3D, one is 1996 Rev B, the other 1997 Rev A, slightly different layouts on PCB
Below is yesterdays testing with 1997 card
- Both DOS and Windows.
DOS - Tomb Raider will just show black but audio can be heard. Screamer 2 says it cannot find card.
WIN - GLQuake crashes
- Device is seen in Windows in Device Manager, Drivers are installed and appear to recognize device
- Same issue as I posted before but with different twist.
- Ran Siv32 but it freezes PC. Have P2 running at 133 with 32MB RAM. Will try later after bumping that up but no time now.

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Reply 7 of 23, by GiSWiG

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Doornkaat wrote:

I've run several Voodoo 1 on a P3B-F with Pentium II 350.
One Maxi Gamer 3D didn't work on anything faster than a 266 or 300 MHz (not sure which was the max anymore) and only with early and late drivers. It did not work with Win98 onboard drivers. The card had a 96 mfg date.
Maybe those cards are similar divas?

Currently? Any way I can get screenshot of your BIOS settings?

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Reply 8 of 23, by red-ray

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GiSWiG wrote:

Ran Siv32 but it freezes PC. Have P2 running at 133 with 32MB RAM. Will try later after bumping that up but no time now.

Sorry about this and I hope all was OK once you rebooted. SIV should run OK on a P2 @ 133MHz with 32MB, but more memory may help. It ran OK this morning on a Dual Intel Pentium (P54C) @ 90MHz NT4 system with 64MB. Exactly which version of Windows do you have?

Either way would you like to help me fix it? If so from a command window do siv32l -dbgini -dbgpci > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more and post SIV_DBGOUT.log to SIV support for 386/486/586 class + Alpha CPUs and 3dfx + S3 + SiS + Matrox + XGI + old ATI + NVidia GPUs - Testing Help so I can check how far SIV gets.

Do CPUZ or HWiNFO run OK? If so please post the CPUZ save file.

Reply 9 of 23, by GiSWiG

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red-ray wrote:
Sorry about this and I hope all was OK once you rebooted. SIV should run OK on a P2 @ 133MHz with 32MB, but more memory may help […]
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GiSWiG wrote:

Ran Siv32 but it freezes PC. Have P2 running at 133 with 32MB RAM. Will try later after bumping that up but no time now.

Sorry about this and I hope all was OK once you rebooted. SIV should run OK on a P2 @ 133MHz with 32MB, but more memory may help. It ran OK this morning on a Dual Intel Pentium (P54C) @ 90MHz NT4 system with 64MB. Exactly which version of Windows do you have?

Either way would you like to help me fix it? If so from a command window do siv32l -dbgini -dbgpci > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more and post SIV_DBGOUT.log to SIV support for 386/486/586 class + Alpha CPUs and 3dfx + S3 + SiS + Matrox + XGI + old ATI + NVidia GPUs - Testing Help so I can check how far SIV gets.

Do CPUZ or HWiNFO run OK? If so please post the CPUZ save file.

No problem but it will have to wait until tonight, maybe tomorrow. Gota work to pay for all this stuff 😒

Win98 SE is what I'm using

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Reply 10 of 23, by GiSWiG

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red-ray wrote:
Sorry about this and I hope all was OK once you rebooted. SIV should run OK on a P2 @ 133MHz with 32MB, but more memory may help […]
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GiSWiG wrote:

Ran Siv32 but it freezes PC. Have P2 running at 133 with 32MB RAM. Will try later after bumping that up but no time now.

Sorry about this and I hope all was OK once you rebooted. SIV should run OK on a P2 @ 133MHz with 32MB, but more memory may help. It ran OK this morning on a Dual Intel Pentium (P54C) @ 90MHz NT4 system with 64MB. Exactly which version of Windows do you have?

Either way would you like to help me fix it? If so from a command window do siv32l -dbgini -dbgpci > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more and post SIV_DBGOUT.log to SIV support for 386/486/586 class + Alpha CPUs and 3dfx + S3 + SiS + Matrox + XGI + old ATI + NVidia GPUs - Testing Help so I can check how far SIV gets.

Do CPUZ or HWiNFO run OK? If so please post the CPUZ save file.

So the freezing is not SIV's fault. I installed Everest and the machine froze when scanning PCI devices. Apparently, there was a conflict with the S3 Trio. I took out the S3 and put in the Diamond Viper 550 (Riva TNT). Both SIV and Everest see both the TNT and the Voodoo 1. I hope I'm getting somewhere but it still doesn't work. GLQuake still crashes as well as Screamer2. Tombraid still goes black but there is audio.

Here's the brief log of the PCI devices. I'll attach the full report from SIV32

SIV32L - System Information Viewer V5.43 Beta-03 RETRONATER::<unknown>

Windows 98SE V4.10 Build 2222 A RETRONATER::<unknown> English (0409) United States (1) Eastern Daylight Time Base Priority 8 CPU µCode 1999-05-25 (0040)
Workgroup WORKGROUP 00 00:02:55 2019-10-24 22:42:11 [0KHz SDR RAM] AGP V1.0 x2 (x2) FSB:DRAM 1:1

Resource Usage 26% [1] Current Maximum SDR RAM CAS Latency (tCL) 2
System Physical Memory 93.48MB 162.52MB 256.00MB RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD) 2
System Paging File 57.30MB 1.69GB 1.75GB RAS Precharge (tRP) 2
Leadoff Command Timing (tLCT)4
DRAM Idle Timer (tDIT) 8

Chips 1 DIMMs 256

Processor FSB Multiplier Ratios APIC Slot 1 SEPP Intel Celeron (Covington) 166MHz [dA1]
CPU-0 167MHz 0.0 Technology 0.25µm x32 Family 6 Model 5 (05) Stepping 1 Revision 0040
Memory GPU GPU Utilisation CPUs 1 GenuineIntel
GPU-0 NA L1 Code Cache 4-way 32-byte 16KB
L1 Data Cache 4-way 32-byte 16KB [3/7]
L2 Unified Cache None
[Cache-0 Latency] [MMX TSC MSR CX8 CMOV]
[ OK ] [ Copy] [Windows] [Graphics][Status] [USB Bus] [Network] [Processors][Volumes][Adapters] [PCI Bus] [About] [ Help]



[PCI Bus] <- SIV32L - System Information Viewer V5.43 Beta-03 RETRONATER::<unknown>

Bus-Numb-Fun IRQ Vendor-Dev-Sub_OEM-Rev Class (255) Vendor and Device Description

[0 - 00 - 0] 8086-7190-80241043-03 Host Bridge Intel 82443BX 440BX Chipset CPU to PCI Bridge (AGP Implemented) [P3B-F]
[0 - 01 - 0] 8086-7191-00000000-03 PCI Bridge (0-1) Intel 82443BX 440BX Chipset PCI to AGP Bridge
[0 - 04 - 0] 8086-7110-00000000-02 ISA Bridge Intel 82371EB PIIX4E ISA Bridge
[0 - 04 - 1] 8086-7111-00000000-01 EIDE Controller Intel 82371EB PIIX4E EIDE Controller
[0 - 04 - 2] 4 8086-7112-00000000-01 UHCI Controller Intel 82371EB PIIX4E USB UHCI Controller
[0 - 04 - 3] 8086-7113-00000000-02 Other Bridge Intel 82371EB PIIX4E Power Management Controller
[0 - 10 - 0] 121A-0001-00000000-02 Video Controller 3dfx Voodoo1 3D Accelerator
[1 - 00 - 0] 11 10DE-0020-58021092-04 VGA Controller nVidia Riva TNT GUI+3D Accelerator [NV4] [GPU-0]

Total of 256 PCI buses and 8 PCI devices in 3.981 seconds. Device names from C:\SIV32\SIV32L\PCIDEVS.txt Date 2019-10-23 Version 237 (125,535)

[ OK ] [ Copy] [Windows] [USB Bus] [Network] [HID Bus] [Volumes] [PCI Bus] [PCI Dev] [ALL Dev]

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Reply 11 of 23, by kjliew

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I guess you probably had remnant of Glide DLL/OVL from Voodoo3 that you didn't clean up properly before installing Voodoo1. The Voodoo1 simply landed on the wrong DLL/OVL and crashed hard.

Reply 12 of 23, by GiSWiG

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kjliew wrote:

I guess you probably had remnant of Glide DLL/OVL from Voodoo3 that you didn't clean up properly before installing Voodoo1. The Voodoo1 simply landed on the wrong DLL/OVL and crashed hard.

But would that affect DOS?

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Reply 13 of 23, by kjliew

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Why not, if the game was looking for GLIDE2X.OVL? The OVL is for DOS games, unless the games have static linked OVL, very few have one. Since you had mentioned only Tomb Raider 1, that game has 2 version of patches, one called 3Dfx patch which has static linked OVL and another called the Voodoo Rush patch which looks for OVL. And, it so happened that you had Voodoo Rush working, so I guess you must have the Voodoo Rush patch with the game.

Reply 14 of 23, by GiSWiG

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kjliew wrote:

Why not, if the game was looking for GLIDE2X.OVL? The OVL is for DOS games, unless the games have static linked OVL, very few have one. Since you had mentioned only Tomb Raider 1, that game has 2 version of patches, one called 3Dfx patch which has static linked OVL and another called the Voodoo Rush patch which looks for OVL. And, it so happened that you had Voodoo Rush working, so I guess you must have the Voodoo Rush patch with the game.

I tried both patches for Tomb Raider and for Screamer 2. GLQuake would be affected by what windows driver is in use. I'll try from scratch again.

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Reply 15 of 23, by red-ray

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GiSWiG wrote:
red-ray wrote:

siv32l -dbgini -dbgpci > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more

So the freezing is not SIV's fault. Apparently, there was a conflict with the S3 Trio. I took out the S3 and put in the Diamond Viper 550 (Riva TNT). Both SIV and Everest see both the TNT and the Voodoo 1.

I half suspected this which is why I specified -dbgpci.

What multiplier and FSB was the system set to when you generated the save please? I guessed x3 + 66MHz, the attached should deal with this and also adds some Riva TNT support.

Can you boot Windows NT4, 2K or XP? If so I suspect SIV will do rather better and new save files (there will also be a .DMI file) would be good.

Last edited by red-ray on 2019-10-26, 21:08. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 16 of 23, by GiSWiG

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red-ray wrote:
I half suspected this which is why I specified -dbgpci. […]
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siv32l -dbgini -dbgpci > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more

So the freezing is not SIV's fault. Apparently, there was a conflict with the S3 Trio. I took out the S3 and put in the Diamond Viper 550 (Riva TNT). Both SIV and Everest see both the TNT and the Voodoo 1.

I half suspected this which is why I specified -dbgpci.

What multiplier and FSB was the system set to when you generated the save please? I guessed x3 + 66MHz, the attached should deal with this and also adds some Riva TNT support.

Can you boot Windows NT4, 2K or XP? If so I suspect SIV will do rather better and new save files (there will also be a .DMI file) would be good.

Here are logs from Windows XP running at 400MHz (4x100) and two sets from Win98 at 400 (4x100) and 266 (4x66).

I then tried each PCI slot at 266MHz, no dice. TR1 launches, goes black, I hear the audio, I know how to exit the game without seeing it, but when I do, the screen does not return. I have to plug the vga cable in to the TNT card to see video again. Maybe that means something?

GLQuake crashes everythime with a wglCreateConnect failed error.

Any special BIOS settings to try?

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Reply 17 of 23, by red-ray

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GiSWiG wrote:

Here are logs from Windows XP running at 400MHz (4x100) and two sets from Win98 at 400 (4x100) and 266 (4x66).

Thank you, but I can't see any attachment, so I guess something went wrong.

Reply 18 of 23, by GiSWiG

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red-ray wrote:
GiSWiG wrote:

Here are logs from Windows XP running at 400MHz (4x100) and two sets from Win98 at 400 (4x100) and 266 (4x66).

Thank you, but I can't see any attachment, so I guess something went wrong.

Yeah, I did wrong, here's the attachment!

Thanks for all your help

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Reply 19 of 23, by red-ray

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GiSWiG wrote:

Yeah, I did wrong, here's the attachment!

Thank you, but I should have been clearer as it's the save files I need to see and only asked for the logs when we though SIV was locking up the system.

To generate the save files just run SIV32L.exe with no qualifiers and then do Menu->File->Save Local which should generate SIV_RETRONATER.txt + SIV_RETRONATER.dmi files on XP and just SIV_RETRONATER.txt on 98.

On XP + 98 both the TNT + Voodoo 1 should be reported as a GPUs (Menu->File->GPU Info).

Edit I added 3dfx Voodoo1 + Voodoo2 Windows 98 support for SIV 5.43 Beta-04

Last edited by red-ray on 2019-10-27, 09:32. Edited 1 time in total.