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First post, by Snookeroo

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Greeting Vogons!

I am considering doing a major upgrade to my Windows 98 gaming PC. It currently runs a socket 1 Pentium 3 550E with only PC100 RAM. I would like to throw caution to the wind and go all in with a Pentium 3 Tualitin 1.4Ghz build.

I have watched multiple videos such as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZUiowktD1c&a … hilsComputerLab

and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5uNxtT0Mk&t … el=TechTangents

where they speak about making sure that your motherboard is Tualitin compatible. Everybody on every forum seems to stress the same thing as well. This brings me to my main quesiton:

Does having a "Tualitin compatible" motherboard just come down to ensuring that it uses the Intel i815 chipset? Or is there more to it than that?

If this is the case, then I could simply purchase this mb:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/263291582755?hash … 38AAOSwh9hZ-dUs

And this CPU:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/313608826430?hash … &frcectupt=true

Along with some 133MHz RAM, then I'd be on my way!

I have attached an image of my current Win98 build for your viewing pleasure!

Cheers.

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Reply 1 of 36, by PARKE

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The Intel 815 boards are not necessarily supporting Tualatin cpu's. There are other chipsets that support Tualatin like the VIA Apollo Pro 133T and 166T. Check out this overview for starters - Tualatin support is listed in the [edit] 4th column.
http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_S … 70_motherboards

Last edited by PARKE on 2021-08-26, 23:25. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 3 of 36, by Snookeroo

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This bundle looks perfect. The mb is included on the Tualitin supported list, plus it comes with the CPU I want, and some RAM:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/324727406844?epid … &frcectupt=true

Reply 4 of 36, by Bige4u

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Tied and true, ASUS TUSL2-C motherboard..... if you can find one for a decent price.

Pentium3 1400s/ Asus Tusl2-c / Kingston 512mb pc133 cl2 / WD 20gb 7200rpm / GeForce3 Ti-500 64mb / Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 SB0100 / 16x dvdrom / 3.5 Floppy / Enermax 420w / Win98se

Reply 5 of 36, by PARKE

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Snookeroo wrote on 2021-08-26, 22:47:

This bundle looks perfect. The mb is included on the Tualitin supported list, plus it comes with the CPU I want, and some RAM:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/324727406844?epid … &frcectupt=true

The cpu on that board looks like a regular 1.4 Ghz version but it is difficult to see.
You would want the "S" (server) version with 512Kb cache. Look for one of these CPUID numbers:
SL5XL
SL657
SL6BY
SL6JP
Also, two of the VRM capacitors on that board look suspect: numbers 7 & 8 counting from the left.

Reply 6 of 36, by Snookeroo

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How much of a difference does the extra cache make? Would it be very noticeable for gaming?

Thanks for pointing out the caps, I will take note.

Reply 7 of 36, by flakes

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The extra cache will make a minor difference. a couple of FPS in games. There is a few extra Instructions tacked on as well that may or not be noticed when running some windows apps.
It will however give you a Bosting point that you have the Fastest and Best P3 cpu!

Reply 9 of 36, by kixs

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If you want the best of the best, take the -S version. It usually also overclocks very good when paired with a good motherboard.

Also don't forget to use some better video card with it. It's better to have overpowered video card 😉

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Reply 10 of 36, by H3nrik V!

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All though the i815 chipset doesn't handle more than 512 MiB of RAM, I would go for an i815 based Tualatin compatible board .. In that era, Intel chipsets were just so much easier to cope with drivers-wise than anything else, IMO ..

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 11 of 36, by H3nrik V!

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Bige4u wrote on 2021-08-26, 23:05:

Tied and true, ASUS TUSL2-C motherboard..... if you can find one for a decent price.

I agree on that one!

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 12 of 36, by Snookeroo

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kixs wrote on 2021-08-27, 06:29:

Also don't forget to use some better video card with it. It's better to have overpowered video card 😉

I'm currently running a Geforce 2 MX400, but would like to run games such as Morrowind and Deus Ex. I hear that my current card may struggle with these.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions for video cards which would pair well with the Tualitin CPU for maximum performance.

Thanks, as always.

Reply 13 of 36, by kixs

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I'd use something in the line of Geforce Ti4x00. Ti4200 128MB will be more than enough. But some might want Ti4600 or ATi 9700 or 9800 Pro. Using newer video card gives you a choice to use AA and higher resolutions than period correct ones. It's just a better gaming experience 😀

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Reply 15 of 36, by PARKE

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Snookeroo wrote on 2021-08-27, 07:22:
kixs wrote on 2021-08-27, 06:29:

Also don't forget to use some better video card with it. It's better to have overpowered video card 😉

I'm currently running a Geforce 2 MX400, but would like to run games such as Morrowind and Deus Ex. I hear that my current card may struggle with these.
I would greatly appreciate any suggestions for video cards which would pair well with the Tualitin CPU for maximum performance.

Just an impression of possible scaling - it can be done better. To measure the capability of this type of videocard you would want to use, for example, 3DMark 2001.

ASUS P2B-S / Geforce2 MX 400 64Mb / 3DMark99
cpu // resolution // Video bench // Cpu bench
1 GHz Celeron FCPGA /100 // 1024x768x16 // 3742 // 13258

ASUS TUSL2-C / Gainward ti 4800 / 3DMark99
cpu // resolution // Video bench // Cpu bench
1 GHz Celeron FCPGA /100 // 1024x768x16 // 5455 // 13023
1GHz FCPGA /133 // 1024x768x16 // 6625 // 14458
1300 MHz Tualatin Celeron // 1024x768x16 // 6970 // 17268
1300 MHz Tualatin Celeron // 1024x768x32 // 5909 // 17183
1400 MHz Tualatin S // 1024x768x16 // 7386 // 21508
1400 MHz Tualatin S // 1024x768x32 // 7378 // 21399
1400 MHz Tualatin S // 1280x1024x16 // 7330 // 21443
1400 MHz Tualatin S // 1280x1024x32 // 7321 // 21425

Reply 18 of 36, by sacri

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I have TUSL2-C with S model and voodoo5500 and vortex 2 and USB2 card.

It is really good combo for glide (98-ME) era. I used to run this with GF2 ultra which was also good option - I bought these when those were new.. If one cal live without 'real' dos in which 1400Mhz p3 is a bit too fast anyway, combo I have is good option.

Also TUSL2-C has universal AGP which can run V5 series if you have them.

Reply 19 of 36, by Snookeroo

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2021-08-27, 17:18:

Most Intel 815 boards share major flaw - no ISA slots.

Why are ISA slots so important? Is it just for having a DOS era sound card?