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First post, by VooDooMan

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A solid SDR RAM PC133 is required to achive high CPU frequencies. Let’s check which sticks are good for overclocking and which are not 😉

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My motivation for this project:
- I already had a Pentium III CPU, which goes up to 235 MHz... so I wanted to choose a memory that would reach the same level 😜 Possibly at the lowest timings and in synchronous mode 😁
- At home I have a lot of unsorted sticks, so I wanted to check how far the can go 😀
- There is one socket 370 motherboard... which has the correct dividers at 166 MHz so I wanted to try out how it performs at PC 166 MHz CL 2-2-2-6 😜
- I was hoping that after these tests it would be easier for others to identify their fast stick 😀

How do I test?
- 2 Different boards: ASUS Tusl2C + ABIT ST6 (3 different ones)
- I used: MemTest86 and PCMark2002 / 3DMark2001SE for testing
- First, each memory underwent initial verification on ASUS TUSL2-C at 166 FSB cl 3-3-3-7: I checked each one on these settings, if it posts I proceed with MemTest.
- If a given memory passed the tests on 166 CL3-3-3-7 without errors, it went on for testing on ABIT ST6 at higher FSB.
- If there were errors on TUSL2-C at 166, I marked the memory as PC 150.
- If a memory didn’t even post on TUSL2-C st 166 FSB, I checked it on lower settings.
- Everything worked at the default voltage.

What memeries did I test?
- Every possible(ECC, non-ECC), of course only PC133, I see no point in testing PC 100.
- Most of the moemories were with Infineon, Hynix/Hyundai, Samsung, Mosel chips
- All together more than 40 sticks were tested.

I’ve divided the results into 5 groups depending on the scope of overclocking potential:
I. Ususal ones 133 -150 MHz
II. Good ones 150 +
III. Solid ones 166+
IV. Extraordinary 180 +
V. Extreme 195+

I) The ustal ones are the most with 8ns and some with 7,5ns

Silcom: SIL16M08Cb7532
Vigour: VC5364161UT-08
Micron: 48LC16M8A2 75E
MDT: 33S25680-7,5

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II) The good ones overclock between the range: 150-166 MHz:

HYNIX/Hundai: HY57V64820HG T-H, HY57V28820HCT-H oraz HY57V28820HCT-K
Samsung: K4S560832C-TC75
M.tec: TBS6408B4E-6
NANYA: NT56V66100OT-75
SMART: TMM3V64M4I8U-5
AM1: 11280816A -7A
POINTEC: PT481616TG-6
LGS: GM72V16821CT10K

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III) These are the solid ones they range from 166 MHz do 179 Mhz

CORSAIR: 32M8ABCG PS1300648
Micron: 48LC16M8A2 75B oraz 48LC32M8A2 7ED
Samsung: K4S560832E-TC75 oraz K4S560432C-TC75
Mosel: V54c365804VCT7
Lei: LES64408TA-7,5
HYUNDAI: GM72V66841ET75
Infineon: HYB39S128800CT-7,5

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IV) The extraordianry ones (they should be able to reach 166 MHz at CL2-2-2-7/6)

Mosel Vitelic: V54C3256804VBT7PC - 181 MHz CL 3-3-3-7
Hyundai/HYNIX: HY57V28820AT-H - 182 MHz CL 3-3-3-7
Infineon: HYB39S128800CT-7 – od 182 do 189 MHz CL 3-3-3-7
VM: VT56SD32M8PC-7 – 186 MHz CL 3-3-3-7
Settec: PM72V28841CT-6K – 186 CL CL 3-3-3-7

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V) And finally the EXTREME ones. Those are the best in my experience (from 195 up to 210+ and more...)

Qimonda: HYB39S256800FE-7 datasheet
Infineon: HYB39S256800FE-7 datasheet
Mosel Vitelic: V54C3256804VDI7PC

It's easy to notice that Infineon's and Qimonda's chips are labeled the same;) From what I understand, these companies merged at some point and then one completely absorbed the other one.

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There were only 5 memories that exceeded 195 MHz at CL3-3-3-7 on my ABIT ST6 and I would like to focus on them 😉 The first one MOSEL V54C3256804VBT7PC did only 197 maximum:

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The second one did a little bit better scoring 200 MHz:
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However, the Infineon / Qimonda chips turned out to be unbeaten, as they easily exceed 200 MHz 😉

The first one by Qimonda reaches 205 MHz:
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The one by INFINEON got up to 210 MHz:
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The last one by Qimonda HYB39S256800FE-7 also sis 210 MHz:
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and Eventually ended up at 213 MHz:
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And at this point I think my motherboard somehow limits me, or the memories need more voltage! I have the impression that they would go higher in the proper hands 😉

I’ve seen on the internet that the records on those HYB39S256800FE-7 get up to250 MHz...
I wish I could “squeeze 1 MHz more”, but since it’s something I’ve done for the first time in my life and without especially good conditions or a workshop, it's not that bad 😀

In the end, I wanted to check how far those memories will go at CL2-2-2-7 and 2-2-2-5.

The maximum stable FSB at CL2-2-2-7 was 185 MHz:
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The maximum stable FSB at CL2-2-2-5 was 170 MHz:
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Below there is a list of memories from the same manufacturers but with different markings and stickers and you can see how they overclock:

HYNIXes:
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INFINEONs:
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Microns:
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Samsungs:
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MOSELs:
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That’s all. I hope you liked it and find it useful in a way 😉 If yes, then please tell me about your experience with overclocking SDR RAM.

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Reply 1 of 18, by retardware

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Interesting report!
The high quality of the Siemens Deep Trench capacitor technology compared to the competitions' stacked capacitors again proves.

The background of the tragedic decline of the Siemens memory technology division is the corruption-friendly former CEO Klaus Kleinfeld, who had to leave Siemens after the pressure by justice just became unbearable.
He established a system of bribery with bribes of about 1.5 billion euros paid while he sold out core parts of the company. He wanted to get rid of the memory division because he did not like the loss-profit-loss-profit cycle of the memory market. So he moved it out to Infineon, and from there to Qimonda. As a standalone company in this cyclic market Quimonda had no real survival chance without the backing of the background diversified company, like Samsung, Hyundai and the former japanese memory giants. Btw, the latter also declined because of such short-term business thinking.
While Qimonda is now defunct, big part of its patents were bought by Micron and possibly helped it a lot gaining its good reputation.

Reply 2 of 18, by BitWrangler

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Great work! I found myself pondering the need/want for modules that would do 166 recently. I know I've got some of that Infineon and possibly some of the same Kingston.

Was having a brain stall for a moment trying to think why, but fairly sure it was because I found http://www.lejabeach.com/M810/M810.htm and have an M810 and a thoroughbred class Duron (applebred) that I thought would be fun to max out on it.

Edit: come to think of it. I've also got a low speed Northwood and socket 478 SDRAM board, but not sure if that one is very amenable to FSB overclock, but if I know the RAM and CPU should be good for it, I'll know I'm only fighting the board.

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Reply 4 of 18, by cyclone3d

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Very nice writeup. I will be putting this in my watchlist so I can have a reference for when I do some testing myself. I have a huge amount of SDRAM which mostly was included when I bought lots of "scrap" a few years ago.

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Reply 5 of 18, by rmay635703

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I have PC166 CLK2 5ns labeled SDRAM in one of my systems
Don’t remember if it’s king max or ???
Will have to look but there was SDRAM rated in pc150 and pc166, just a bit expensive

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Reply 6 of 18, by cyclone3d

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rmay635703 wrote on 2021-09-17, 15:17:

I have PC166 CLK2 labeled SDRAM in one of my systems
Don’t remember if it’s king max or ???
Will have to look but there was SDRAM rated in pc150 and pc166, just a bit expensive

I look for those on eBay every once in a while but the PC150 and PC166 labeled stuff never pops up.

Back in the day when I worked at a computer store, the PC-133 Spectek branded stuff, which I believe had Micron chips was good for at least 150Mhz. I don't think I ever tried to go over that.

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Reply 7 of 18, by retardware

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-09-17, 15:22:
rmay635703 wrote on 2021-09-17, 15:17:

I have PC166 CLK2 labeled SDRAM in one of my systems
Don’t remember if it’s king max or ???
Will have to look but there was SDRAM rated in pc150 and pc166, just a bit expensive

I look for those on eBay every once in a while but the PC150 and PC166 labeled stuff never pops up.

My personal guess, supported by the results of the OP's tests, is that one can quite safely assume that modules with 7ns chips will run well at PC166.
So it might be just necessary to look at the chips' details to see whether they are worthy to try out.

Reply 8 of 18, by The Serpent Rider

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Quite a lot of late SDRAM PC133 memory modules are 166 Mhz capable. This also includes some PC100 memory.

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Reply 9 of 18, by VooDooMan

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Thanks for all the comments!

I think that it's pointless to buy PC150 and PC166 stuff... especially after this project 😉 Almost EVERY 7ns stick will reach 166 MHZ at CL 3-3-3-6/7.
And it's sometimes really hard to find one that WON'T run at 150 MHz....

If you REALLY need one with a sticker no problem - I will print it and stick it on some of my memories, then sell them 😁

To me, it's just a primitive marketing way of selling stuff... PC150 and PC166 was never really official anyway... so what is the point?

The problem is to find a stick that can reach 166 MHZ at CL2-2-2-5! 😀

BTW, I forgot that I have those BGA KingMax chips memory 😁
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They wern't the best at OC, but I think they reached CL2-2-3-6 at 166 MHz 😉

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Reply 10 of 18, by pshipkov

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Good info. Thanks.
Confirms some of my observations.

Small note.
Maxing-out RAM brings the OC ceiling much lower.
Many sticks that did well individually fail at it.
There is no formula to follow other than testing different combinations.
Often more humble mem modules do better here and can get you ahead in the team OC.

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Reply 11 of 18, by firage

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Thanks for the research. This makes for a good reference.

Hynix appear to have a massive quality difference between the HY57V28820HCT and HY57V28820AT series. The HCT stuff isn't even close to the same potential here, although on paper, HCT-K is actually binned faster than AT-H. (Hynix -H and -K suffixes are 133 MHz ratings, but -H is 3-3-3-6 and the -K suffix is 2-2-2-6 latency, so 7.5 vs 7.) HY57V28820AT-K has also been widely available, but not necessarily anticipating any great further improvement from these AT-H results.

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Reply 12 of 18, by greasemonkey90s

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Good stuff but your letting out all the secrets ugh. Personally for me the money is on the stuff that can keep cl2 at the highest fsb. All the rest is for hwbot bragging. Awesome binning !

Reply 13 of 18, by The Serpent Rider

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Personally for me the money is on the stuff that can keep cl2 at the highest fsb

FSB overclock is more important for PIII.

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Reply 14 of 18, by greasemonkey90s

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2021-09-26, 09:27:

Personally for me the money is on the stuff that can keep cl2 at the highest fsb

FSB overclock is more important for PIII.

Meh obviously this isnt news too me just my preference. For the try hard guy in mind your response makes sense.

Reply 15 of 18, by NostalgicAslinger

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@VooDooMan
So you have tested with default voltage, which means 3.3V, right? The Asus TUSL2-C for example also allows 3,4 or 3,6V I/O Voltage . Default setting should be 3,4V on this mainboard.
A higher I/O voltage could help, and maybe one stick makes the 166MHz with the sharpest timings?

I have looked in the datasheets for Micron, Hynix or the Infineons, and it says 3.3V +-0,3V as max recommended settings and the highest max. setting 4,6V before they burn! So 3,6V should be ok for a overclock test, but for every day use I would stay with 3,4V.

The Asus P3B-F only allows 3,5V or 3,65V VIO and has no 3,3-3,4V setting like the TUSL2. Maybe because the BX chipset needs 3,5V for stable 133MHz FSB setting with 3-4 modules installed and the sharpest timings.

Reply 16 of 18, by Siran

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So I'm guessing out of these, the two Infineon 256MB HYB39S128800CT-7,5 should fare best?

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Thanks for testing!

Reply 17 of 18, by gungod

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NostalgicAslinger wrote on 2023-06-10, 19:23:

I have looked in the datasheets for Micron, Hynix or the Infineons, and it says 3.3V +-0,3V as max recommended settings and the highest max. setting 4,6V before they burn! So 3,6V should be ok for a overclock test, but for every day use I would stay with 3,4V.

For some reason i register here 2014 but did't post even one comment so far but today your post got me!

Can you tell me how you use em daily "or every day use I would stay with 3,4V." ?
Daily ? Really ? I cant even found em hiden far far alway in the box they where w/o day light last 15 years 😁

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Great work mate! 10x

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gungod wrote on 2024-01-12, 15:58:
For some reason i register here 2014 but did't post even one comment so far but today your post got me! […]
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For some reason i register here 2014 but did't post even one comment so far but today your post got me!

Can you tell me how you use em daily "or every day use I would stay with 3,4V." ?
Daily ? Really ? I cant even found em hiden far far alway in the box they where w/o day light last 15 years 😁

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Great work mate! 10x

Yes, If you use your Retro PC daily.
I have 10 retro PCs and change them every month so that they run evenly. But I don't use them every day. 😁