TrashPanda wrote on 2022-09-08, 06:24:
Honestly most of the joints look like they need a lot more flux and a little more heat, and some decent solder and not that lead […]
bloodem wrote on 2022-09-08, 04:46:
Yes, and I stand by what I said. :-) […]
Rocket202 wrote on 2022-09-07, 14:51:
"you should not be doing this".
Yes, and I stand by what I said. 😀
May I remind you:
bloodem wrote on 2022-08-04, 11:38:
[..] you'll either further damage the board aesthetically (which you've already done), or you'll end up damaging it completely. [...]
IMO, the solder job looks terrible and it's a shame for such a nice board...
Don't get me wrong, we've all destroyed some motherboards at some point in our lives, but the idea is to always practice on cheap/dummy boards, instead of doing it on what is arguably a rare and collector's board (I myself have yet to add a Gigabyte GA-5AX to my collection!)
Honestly most of the joints look like they need a lot more flux and a little more heat, and some decent solder and not that lead free shite.
But really its OPs board so let them have at it, I might actually have a bigger issue if it was one of the rare revisions like a 5.2 but its just a run of the mill 4.1 so let them mess around with it, either itll work or it wont, either way the OP will have learned valuable lessons for next time.
We all have to start somewhere and making mistakes on out own gear is a great way what to learn your limits are, once you know your limits you can push beyond them.
I havent used lead free solder, i use 58/40/2, maybe the quality of the tin is not really good i can untand that but while using the tin it havent made me too much problems, i mean for example once i soldered the point not been able to remove it or whatever.
The flux i used is JBC, is transparent, it evaporates very quickly in 1-2 seconds literally, maybe is not the ideal flux because i saw another people soldering under the flux with the tip like if that is a pool with no problems.
My point here is, is the first time i do this so, is this really bad?, i mean to make problems, burnt or whatever, Can it be used without any risk?, is not perfect okey, my purpose is to play and enjoy.
Im not agree with Bloodem with "this is a terrible job", im an electrode solder, so i know perfectly how is a really bad job done and how is start to solder and I highly doubt that soldering components is any different, im pretty sure there is people who when start to do this smash the board.
The point here is make the job, i listen to any tip or whatever you want to tell me, advices, your feedback is very welcome.
bloodem wrote on 2022-09-08, 10:34:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-09-08, 10:14:
Did it matter what drivers you used ? or was it just poor performance across all drivers ?>
I've mentioned it in the aforementioned post 😀 :
bloodem wrote on 2022-03-05, 11:50:
I literally tried everything humanly possible, tested every combination of BIOS settings, tested both the F6 and F7b BIOS ROMS (both support K6-2/3 "+" CPUs), tested every combination of AGP tool settings, multiple ALI AGP drivers, multiple Voodoo 3 drivers (including some newer unofficial ones)... nothing worked.
Then I also tested a PCI Voodoo 3 3000 to see if this was somehow related to an AGP bug or not... and, it's not. The PCI version has the exact same problem.
I tell you the same as above, i dont think the board is messed, i havent broken anything, so if you want to give me your feedback about the job, im going to have any problems?, the joint will burnt or whatever?, i dont think so but im not a professional so i want your feedback.
About what you said the price, the ebay's prices are just to scam you, literally that people is waiting for people like you (knowledgeable in retro computers) and ask for a lot of money because you know what are you buying and they know what you want, thats all.
As i said, i paid for the tower 70€, everything instead of the board is in the bin, because literally was trash (im going to post pictures and youre going to understand)
Im not trying to teach you anything but my tip for you is go to the popular second market apps or sites in your country and invest some time to find the pc you want, that is what i've done.
I came here as "a novice in retro computers" (but i've been involved in the computer world since i have 8 years, know i have 35) and i saw how is the panorama, im not going to pay for that scam prices.
I live in Spain, here we have a very popular second market AP and super socket 7 boards there is a few, so i invest one week looking to the retro pcs was selling people, identifying boards because the people dont give any description "im selling a retro pc" (i have to learn which boards etc but this is not your case).
Im going to tell you something that maybe will change your point of view. In my country in the 90's i saw this pc cases in the bin, is true the time is important and that makes the valuable products make them more expensive but here is big BUT, that prices in ebay are truth?, no man, they are totally a scam as i said, waiting for you.
If you dont believe me, i spoke with a guy who resell this material, build retro pc for people etc and I asked him for advice of this pc before buying it because I didnt see it in good condition and i bought it not tested "just i power on the computer and it works", he told me "i paid for that board 100€, buy it", 100€ is not 200€, right?, so if this guy buy it for 100€ how much will he charge you to resell it?.
you have to invest your time to buy this material. In my country there are people getting material from houses, companies etc, taking away the opportunity to buy it and then reselling it or see a lot more material to buy directly to individual people, not shops or resellers.
The guy who sold me this board take the material from a green point, in my country this is how is called a place where people leave material to recycle, someone who works there gave it to him.
Another example, i saw a Soyo 5ema+ board, the full tower for 60€, another soyo for 60€, idk if that is a valueable board but from what i read is not bad. People in ebay is asking much more money for that board.
I can understand in some cases a board is not cheap, i can understand that, but if you search for any SS7 board in ebay im pretty sure the 80% of them has a high prices because is what i saw there.
cheers and thanks.
rasz_pl wrote on 2022-09-07, 20:39:
In contrast the fist joint from the top on this picture looks dry, too little temperature and flux, not wetted properly. If a lo […]
In contrast the fist joint from the top on this picture looks dry, too little temperature and flux, not wetted properly. If a lot of power was going thru it it would start heating up, maybe even end up burned out.
One question Rasz, whe you said this about the solder, were you talking about my soldering or the one on the one from the fabric?.
I think the last ressult is more good than before, so do you think that solder points can burnt or whatever or is it acceptable.