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First post, by oldgames79

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Hi,

I’m trying to fix a abit bp6 that doesn’t light up and I partially found the source of the problem.
There is a regulator AMS1117 that is short circuit on pin 1 and 2 => the Vout is connect to the ground.
There is also the EC30 in short circuit. How to find the component that was in short circuit ?
The AMS1117 has been desoldered and tested without short circuit idem the for EC30.

Thanks

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After few seconds, the motherboard tries to light up but without success...

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Reply 2 of 15, by rasz_pl

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multimeter with good range and going over all chips powered from 3.3V measuring VCC to VDD in resistance mode as close to those chips as possible. With any luck you will get the idea where resistance is lowest.
Another option thermal camera and injecting voltage on 3.3V rail slowly going up and looking whats going warm, again with luck you might get by with a finger instead of camera

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Reply 3 of 15, by oldgames79

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Karbist wrote on 2023-06-13, 20:33:

Is this regulator on the 5v standby coming from psu?
is pin 2 dead short to the ground like zero ohm or it's more than zero ohm like 5 ohms or more?

Yes it's the 5V stanbdby coming from the PSU.
Computer off I have 5V on Vcc and I have 2,6V on Vout (normally I should have 3.3V ?) and the AMS1117 is very hot. On the ground I have a 0 ohm (R126).
After few seconds, the motherboard tries to light up but without success...

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Reply 4 of 15, by oldgames79

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-13, 21:37:

multimeter with good range and going over all chips powered from 3.3V measuring VCC to VDD in resistance mode as close to those chips as possible. With any luck you will get the idea where resistance is lowest.
Another option thermal camera and injecting voltage on 3.3V rail slowly going up and looking whats going warm, again with luck you might get by with a finger instead of camera

Computer off the AMS1117 is very hot. I’ll check on the other chipset
After few seconds, the motherboard tries to light up but without success...

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Reply 6 of 15, by oldgames79

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Karbist wrote on 2023-06-14, 06:22:

that standby 3.3v goes directly to the south bridge chipset, put the ams1117 back in the board and put your finger on the south bridge chipset, if one spot on the chip gets hots, it's dead.

The southbridge is the chipset between the PCI port and the battery ?

Reply 10 of 15, by paradigital

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-13, 21:37:

multimeter with good range and going over all chips powered from 3.3V measuring VCC to VDD in resistance mode as close to those chips as possible. With any luck you will get the idea where resistance is lowest.
Another option thermal camera and injecting voltage on 3.3V rail slowly going up and looking whats going warm, again with luck you might get by with a finger instead of camera

Another alternative to thermal camera or “finger” is the “drench with isopropyl alcohol and watch which component evaporates the liquid fastest” method.

Either way, injecting voltage onto the suspected shorted rail is likely the simplest solution to finding the short without access to schematics and/or boardviews.

Reply 11 of 15, by oldgames79

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Karbist wrote on 2023-06-14, 15:32:

well check the other chips like the I/O chip on top of pci slots. you can also put your hand on the back of the board and feel what area is getting warm.

Finaly the southbridge is very hot 😒
I will try to replace the chipset...

Thanks

Reply 13 of 15, by oldgames79

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-14, 16:15:

replacing this kind of chip is more expensive than sourcing another board

On ebay it's 250€ for a new motherboard VS 10€ for a new chipset.

If you have a BP6 in stock I’m interested 😉

Reply 14 of 15, by rasz_pl

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oldgames79 wrote on 2023-06-14, 18:12:
rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-14, 16:15:

replacing this kind of chip is more expensive than sourcing another board

On ebay it's 250€ for a new motherboard VS 10€ for a new chipset.

If you have a BP6 in stock I’m interested 😉

$80 2 months ago https://allegro.pl/oferta/plyta-abit-bp6-2x-p … tas-13598394244
its not the chip cost, but bga rework that might make it uneconomical

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Reply 15 of 15, by oldgames79

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-14, 18:17:
oldgames79 wrote on 2023-06-14, 18:12:
rasz_pl wrote on 2023-06-14, 16:15:

replacing this kind of chip is more expensive than sourcing another board

On ebay it's 250€ for a new motherboard VS 10€ for a new chipset.

If you have a BP6 in stock I’m interested 😉

$80 2 months ago https://allegro.pl/oferta/plyta-abit-bp6-2x-p … tas-13598394244
its not the chip cost, but bga rework that might make it uneconomical

Argh too late

Thanks for your help