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Reply 60 of 84, by dr_st

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Errius wrote on 2020-06-19, 23:29:

The climate is definitely warming. We know this from things like melting glaciers and shrinking sea ice. The controversy is over what (or who) is causing it.

I think there is also a good deal of controversy over the rate.

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Reply 61 of 84, by austinham

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imi wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:32:
TechieDude wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:18:

Climate change is NOT, and never was man-made. It IS however man-influenced.

and the second hottest time in recorded history was in the middle ages, log before man influenced events would have cussed the climate to change.

Reply 62 of 84, by TechieDude

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austinham wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:49:

and the second hottest time in recorded history was in the middle ages, log before man influenced events would have cussed the climate to change.

I don't know about that, but I'm pretty certain they didn't have anything that resembled a functional thermometer in the middle ages. They did have the plague, though, which would have probably been much less devastating, had they not gone out of their way to eliminate cats (and their peers who just happened to be a little more educated) because "witchcraft".

Reply 63 of 84, by Wolfus

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austinham wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:49:
imi wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:32:
TechieDude wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:18:

Climate change is NOT, and never was man-made. It IS however man-influenced.

and the second hottest time in recorded history was in the middle ages, log before man influenced events would have cussed the climate to change.

That's because they were burning witches a lot then...

Reply 64 of 84, by keenmaster486

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We're talking about the environment?

I recently bought 60 real incandescent light bulbs, to replace the LED ones in my apartment. Increased energy usage, here I come!

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Reply 66 of 84, by keenmaster486

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luckybob wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:14:

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'm not kidding, I actually did that.

The trolling is only a happy side effect though. I genuinely prefer incandescent light bulbs, and I fundamentally disagree with the government having the power to ban them, regardless of potential benefits to the environment.

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Reply 67 of 84, by dr_st

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I think that in the case of incandescent light bulbs, we are already at the point where it is OK to ban them. There are already viable and long-lasting LED bulbs at all kinds of light spectra, so it really is hard to justify this old technology.

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Reply 68 of 84, by keenmaster486

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It's not about the technology. It's about the principle of it. You should be able to buy whatever light bulbs you want.

If you have to justify a technology's existence to the bureaucrats responsible for banning things, we wouldn't get very far, and individual choice goes out the window. Even if I am the last man on earth buying incandescent light bulbs, which I might be at this point, then I'd like that privilege.

Besides, is it really worth it to move from 98% of people not using incandescent bulbs of their own accord, to 99.99% of people not using them because we outright banned them?

Edit: by this logic we may as well ban vintage computers! They often use more power than modern PC's, and probably about the same percentage of computer users are using vintage machines as the percentage of people buying incandescent light bulbs.

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Reply 70 of 84, by ShovelKnight

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keenmaster486 wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:33:

It's not about the technology. It's about the principle of it. You should be able to buy whatever light bulbs you want.

By that logic you should be able to buy food full of lead and other toxic substances, and food producers should be able to sell it to you - because, you know, freedom.

Reply 71 of 84, by wiretap

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On that topic, are there any LED or CFL bulbs (dimmable) that actually last longer than a few months. I haven't had any luck, even buying ridiculously expensive GE and Philips bulbs. I've changed outlet sockets, installed special dimmer switches designed for them, hooked up a Nicolet to monitor my power quality, etc. I had to switch back to incandescent because they last about 10x longer.

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Reply 72 of 84, by wiretap

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ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:42:
keenmaster486 wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:33:

It's not about the technology. It's about the principle of it. You should be able to buy whatever light bulbs you want.

By that logic you should be able to buy food full of lead and other toxic substances, and food producers should be able to sell it to you - because, you know, freedom.

By that logic, we should be able to buy incandescent bulb alternatives filled with mercury and lead... wait a minute.. 🤣

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Reply 73 of 84, by luckybob

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Strange, all my bulbs are several years old now. But I pay a bit extra for the Cree brand.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GP7BGRY/ref=cm_s … i_Ngo8EbC40V1JH

Those have been running in my house for 4-8 hours a day for 3 years now

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Reply 74 of 84, by ShovelKnight

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wiretap wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:46:

On that topic, are there any LED or CFL bulbs (dimmable) that actually last longer than a few months. I haven't had any luck, even buying ridiculously expensive GE and Philips bulbs. I've changed outlet sockets, installed special dimmer switches designed for them, hooked up a Nicolet to monitor my power quality, etc. I had to switch back to incandescent because they last about 10x longer.

I bought a bunch of Philips "warm white" CCFL bulbs in 2014 and replaced them with Osram LEDs last year. Their longevity has not been an issue for me. Cheap IKEA LED bulbs also last for a long time in my experience, but I have no idea whether they're dimmable or not.

Reply 75 of 84, by wiretap

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luckybob wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:55:

Strange, all my bulbs are several years old now. But I pay a bit extra for the Cree brand.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GP7BGRY/ref=cm_s … i_Ngo8EbC40V1JH

Those have been running in my house for 4-8 hours a day for 3 years now

I guess I'll try those next. Hopefully they last longer. I tore apart one of my old Philips LED dimmable bulbs before, and it wasn't the actual LED that failed, it was a capacitor(?) on the tiny circuit board inside that had melted.

Edit: Oh also, I found with dimmer switches, even the expensive CFL/LED ones I've bought, they still appear to only dim to a certain point and then cut off. So either it is just really bright on full, or medium-low brightness and then it cuts off before it actually gets really dim like a normal incandescent. This is probably due to the low current cutoff of the LED. I've been trying to find a good PWM controlled dimmer that works with 120VAC, but haven't had any luck. Maybe I'll just build one.

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Reply 76 of 84, by keenmaster486

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ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:42:

By that logic you should be able to buy food full of lead and other toxic substances, and food producers should be able to sell it to you - because, you know, freedom.

That is correct.

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Reply 77 of 84, by austinham

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dr_st wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:20:

I think that in the case of incandescent light bulbs, we are already at the point where it is OK to ban them. There are already viable and long-lasting LED bulbs at all kinds of light spectra, so it really is hard to justify this old technology.

heat lamp, sun lamp and lava lamps?

Reply 78 of 84, by austinham

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TechieDude wrote on 2020-06-22, 14:37:
austinham wrote on 2020-06-22, 13:49:

and the second hottest time in recorded history was in the middle ages, log before man influenced events would have cussed the climate to change.

I don't know about that, but I'm pretty certain they didn't have anything that resembled a functional thermometer in the middle ages. They did have the plague, though, which would have probably been much less devastating, had they not gone out of their way to eliminate cats (and their peers who just happened to be a little more educated) because "witchcraft".

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Reply 79 of 84, by tannerstevo

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austinham wrote on 2020-06-22, 17:43:
dr_st wrote on 2020-06-22, 16:20:

I think that in the case of incandescent light bulbs, we are already at the point where it is OK to ban them. There are already viable and long-lasting LED bulbs at all kinds of light spectra, so it really is hard to justify this old technology.

heat lamp, sun lamp and lava lamps?

Also, try using an LED bulb in an oven.