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Reply 20 of 31, by aaron158

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-07-18, 01:38:
I've have nothing but major issues with the SIL based SATA cards. I won't use them anymore. I kinda don't relish the though of e […]
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I've have nothing but major issues with the SIL based SATA cards. I won't use them anymore. I kinda don't relish the though of even trying to resell them and then the next person having problems with them as well.

They were super buggy and trashy back in the day when they came on motherboards as well.

The Promise SATA 1 150 cards always work and have Windows 9x drivers to boot. The Promise SATA 2 150 and 300 cards do not have Windows 9x drivers.

There are also a few other brands I have found and bought that also have Windows 9x drivers but I haven't done any testing with them yet.

For SATA to IDE adapters, I've been using the cheap Chinese ones off of eBay and they seem to work fine. You will just be limited by what the motherboard BIOS supports.

i looked in ebay every promise card i see are sata 2 150 or 300 i dont see any that dont say II. can u direct me to the one that has windows 98 drivers if its cheap enough ill order one to try.

Reply 21 of 31, by cyclone3d

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Sheesh... The couple Promise branded ones I saw were priced through the roof.

However, these were also sold by Maxtor and I did find a few that were a decent price.

Here is the cheapest I found:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194170347833

It is SATA and IDE

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Reply 22 of 31, by zapbuzz

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A pci SATA controller with drivers for dos windows has their drivers but maybe they are for smaller capacity disks or run in compatability mode?
I assume the SSD was set to boot from the PCI controller.
AHCI mode might be the key.
vogons downloads have R. Loews offerings in an archive it includes SATA patches and high capacity patches for all dos windows real SATA mode and not compatability mode.
Worth a go i mean 120gb isnt 128 gb but its all capacity theories vs hardware support.
I use a silicon 4 port RAID card my issue with them is the port connectors do not support lockable SATA cables and prone to let cables slip off. (probably the cheap price reason)

Reply 23 of 31, by aaron158

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-07-18, 04:07:
Sheesh... The couple Promise branded ones I saw were priced through the roof. […]
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Sheesh... The couple Promise branded ones I saw were priced through the roof.

However, these were also sold by Maxtor and I did find a few that were a decent price.

Here is the cheapest I found:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194170347833

It is SATA and IDE

ok can u tell me were the windows 98 driver would be to get that going i mean with maxtor long gone and i don't think promise even has drivers for this old stuff on there site any more?

Reply 24 of 31, by aaron158

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zapbuzz wrote on 2021-07-18, 04:59:
A pci SATA controller with drivers for dos windows has their drivers but maybe they are for smaller capacity disks or run in com […]
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A pci SATA controller with drivers for dos windows has their drivers but maybe they are for smaller capacity disks or run in compatability mode?
I assume the SSD was set to boot from the PCI controller.
AHCI mode might be the key.
vogons downloads have R. Loews offerings in an archive it includes SATA patches and high capacity patches for all dos windows real SATA mode and not compatability mode.
Worth a go i mean 120gb isnt 128 gb but its all capacity theories vs hardware support.
I use a silicon 4 port RAID card my issue with them is the port connectors do not support lockable SATA cables and prone to let cables slip off. (probably the cheap price reason)

it had to be i mean its not like it would boot off anything else. the card has no settings menu so i can't really turn on or off ahci. i went though tonight and installed 6 dif bios on the card ranging from 2003 up to 2008 only the oldest bios for the card works with 98 at all any newer bios and the setup freezes instantly. the oldest bios i found isn't even listed on the silicon image site someone provided via a post on here were someone was looking for old bios for the card.

i tired the r low driver i tired doing it several dif ways at first boot going in to dos running the patch and putting the inf file in to the inf folder did nothing driver in windows after file boot was still and ide driver for the card. trying to force install the driver from within windows also did not work. only drivers silicon image has for the card are for windows 2k and up even though the readme file for the oldest ones talk about installing it on 98 when u try to force install the driver 98 just says the driver don't contain any files for this device.

Reply 25 of 31, by zapbuzz

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aaron158 wrote on 2021-07-18, 06:19:
zapbuzz wrote on 2021-07-18, 04:59:
A pci SATA controller with drivers for dos windows has their drivers but maybe they are for smaller capacity disks or run in com […]
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A pci SATA controller with drivers for dos windows has their drivers but maybe they are for smaller capacity disks or run in compatability mode?
I assume the SSD was set to boot from the PCI controller.
AHCI mode might be the key.
vogons downloads have R. Loews offerings in an archive it includes SATA patches and high capacity patches for all dos windows real SATA mode and not compatability mode.
Worth a go i mean 120gb isnt 128 gb but its all capacity theories vs hardware support.
I use a silicon 4 port RAID card my issue with them is the port connectors do not support lockable SATA cables and prone to let cables slip off. (probably the cheap price reason)

it had to be i mean its not like it would boot off anything else. the card has no settings menu so i can't really turn on or off ahci. i went though tonight and installed 6 dif bios on the card ranging from 2003 up to 2008 only the oldest bios for the card works with 98 at all any newer bios and the setup freezes instantly. the oldest bios i found isn't even listed on the silicon image site someone provided via a post on here were someone was looking for old bios for the card.

i tired the r low driver i tired doing it several dif ways at first boot going in to dos running the patch and putting the inf file in to the inf folder did nothing driver in windows after file boot was still and ide driver for the card. trying to force install the driver from within windows also did not work. only drivers silicon image has for the card are for windows 2k and up even though the readme file for the oldest ones talk about installing it on 98 when u try to force install the driver 98 just says the driver don't contain any files for this device.

I had the same issue of no sata card setup menu issue but i found if i changed my motherboards IDE controllers IRQ it started showing its menu, you know, system bios set resources manually after finding the IRQ from system summary i changed my IDE controller to IRQ15 pure random the SATA card worked proper. (Also an IDE RAID card i have too)
I think the motherboards ide takes priority over other pci cards but the SATA card comes up as a serial device but now strangely it doesnt matter again. I must had loose sdram sticks

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Reply 26 of 31, by aaron158

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https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definiti … oller-Interface

on here it says ahci didn't come out till 2004 and with the card bios being from 2003 i have to use it probably don't even have ahci also seems to sound like it was part of the sata II standard and this is a sata I card.

Reply 27 of 31, by cyclone3d

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aaron158 wrote on 2021-07-18, 06:12:
cyclone3d wrote on 2021-07-18, 04:07:
Sheesh... The couple Promise branded ones I saw were priced through the roof. […]
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Sheesh... The couple Promise branded ones I saw were priced through the roof.

However, these were also sold by Maxtor and I did find a few that were a decent price.

Here is the cheapest I found:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194170347833

It is SATA and IDE

ok can u tell me were the windows 98 driver would be to get that going i mean with maxtor long gone and i don't think promise even has drivers for this old stuff on there site any more?

Promise still has the drivers on their site. They are listed under legacy products on their download site.

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Reply 28 of 31, by The Serpent Rider

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also seems to sound like it was part of the sata II standard

No, AHCI protocol and SATAII are not tied together. For example, Nforce 4 didn't had it. It is safe to assume that any external SATA before 2005 also didn't had AHCI.

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Reply 29 of 31, by svfn

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Was about to buy a Sil3114 SATA card too but eventually found a Promise card, these prices have also gone up unless you are lucky to find one locally.

I would not bother with SATA PCI cards for older builds, an old IDE would make life easier, and the controller might also prevent EMS for some games that need it.

I also had to change the boot order on my motherboard (FIC PA-2013) to A, C, SCSI instead of what I normally used: C, CDROM, A. The card's BIOS showed on reboot and was able to format using fdisk, then proceed to install 98SE on a 80GB SATA2 drive, then I installed the Promise drivers once it's done.

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Reply 30 of 31, by aaron158

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ok so update on things i've tired.

i tired all versions of bios on the sil3112 card from the silicon image site with any bios beyond the oldest one from 2003 1 of 2 things happens the machine either freezes when it is doing the drive detection or freezes at format or if u format with another machine freezes when scan disk starts. the oldest bios "works" up till u get windows installed u can start installing stuff if u do soft reboots for the most part its fine but as soon as u do a full shut down windows gets corrupted and it wont boot up anymore. dont matter if i format with fdisk/super fdisk or plug the drive into a windows 10 machine and format with a tool in fat32 also using the sata patch don't help.

i tired with this ide to sata https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00310MFPY?p … &ref_=pd_gw_unk and bios picks up the drive but u can't run fdisk or super fdisk and if u pre format it u can't access c: when u run fdisk it just says error reading hard disk. if u do fdisk /status on it with it pre formatted it showed the drive and the partition but u can't get to c: it says it cant access it.

so amazon exchanged the ide to sata for this other version https://www.amazon.ca/StarTech-com-Drive-Opti … E%20motherboard and its no dif same errors. it makes no dif if i put it on master slave or cable select or if i put a jumper on the one for optical drive compatibly.

the asus bios shows a drive no issue there but u can't do nothing with the drive once u boot into dos.

is there some setting in the TUSL2-C that could lock a drive from being usable i can't see anything out of the ordinary in the settings.

now i'm not sure what to do. could it be this ocz vector 180 drive its brandnew and windows 10 has no issues with it and the ocz tool box says everything looks fine there is no firmware updates for it.

i ordered a new old stock 40 gb ide HDD off ebay and i also put in an order for the maxtor version of that promise card that cyclone3d suggested guess now i play the waiting game for those to show up from the us and hopefully the sata card works or we go full old skool with an 40gb ide hdd.

Reply 31 of 31, by zapbuzz

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To further help those in search of SSD SATA solution please be sure the drivers for your programmable bios SATA RAID controller match in version to the drivers you use as they make changes per revision. For example a 2002 BIOS will misbehave for a driver made in 2003 because in 2003 they discovered newtons law of physics and that blew 2002 bios away so it broke its stripe in due process. My point is there are bios out there but i recommend don't update it and use the driver that it came with or track down the proper release which is usually the same year.