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First post, by groquik

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Hi.
Today, I'm checking my old stuffs and found an isa audio card that seems to be a vibra16 with a true opl3.
But there is not mention of Sound Blaster ou Creative on the pcb. There is no CTxxxx reference but AI-200 Rev 1.0
The main chip is a Vibra16 CT2501.
Is it a clone or a "parallel" serie from creative?

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Reply 1 of 11, by TrashPanda

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Could be a SB 16 CT2810 or CT2260, both use this Vibra DSP and have OPL3 with a Wavetable header .. what is the YFM number on the OPL IC ? I cant tell from this picture.

Is there anything on the back of the PCB ?

Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.

Reply 3 of 11, by TrashPanda

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Plasma wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:17:

I'm not an expert on Sound Blasters but I've never seen one with a sideways wavetable header. Or without a CT model number. So I'm thinking clone.

Never seen a clone with Sony, Mitsumi and Panasonic IDE Headers, its a weird little card, perhaps OP will give us a photo of the back and a hi res version of the front, it looks like it has a YFM 262 on it.

Could it be a value part from creative ?

Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.

Reply 4 of 11, by pan069

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Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses a Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other manufacturers to licence their chipsets, which makes sense.

If there is an FFC ID on the card you can try to look up the manufacture otherwise, I'm sure the card is PNP, maybe UNISOUND will give you more info when you initialise the card.

s-l400.jpg

Edit: Here is another card from ASUS that uses the Vibra chipset: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Media_Bus

Reply 5 of 11, by TrashPanda

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pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:25:
Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other […]
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Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other manufacturers to licence their chipsets, which makes sense.

If there is an FFC ID on the card you can try to look up the manufacture otherwise, I'm sure the card is PNP, maybe UNISOUND will give you more info when you initialise the card.

s-l400.jpg

It has physical jumpers for Base Address, MPU, Game Port and CD IO, cant find one for IRQ, usually PnP cards dont have jumpers.

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Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.

Reply 6 of 11, by pan069

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:38:
pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:25:
Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other […]
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Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other manufacturers to licence their chipsets, which makes sense.

If there is an FFC ID on the card you can try to look up the manufacture otherwise, I'm sure the card is PNP, maybe UNISOUND will give you more info when you initialise the card.

s-l400.jpg

It has physical jumpers for Base Address and MPU so its not PnP, Game Port and CD IO, cant find one for IRQ, usually PnP cards dont have jumpers.

True. Didn't look at the card to closely... 😀

Reply 7 of 11, by Joseph_Joestar

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Apparently, there were OEM versions of Vibra cards at some point. Here's a SoundForte branded one that I have: Help me identify this Vibra 16 card

In terms of DOS drivers, it works fine with Creative's SBBASIC.EXE.

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PC#3: Athlon64 3000+ / Asus K8V-MX / GeForce4 / Audigy1

Reply 8 of 11, by BitWrangler

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pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:39:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:38:
pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:25:
Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other […]
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Looks like an OEM card using a Vibra chipset. I have an ASUS A16C that uses an Vibra chipset. Seems that Creative allowed other manufacturers to licence their chipsets, which makes sense.

If there is an FFC ID on the card you can try to look up the manufacture otherwise, I'm sure the card is PNP, maybe UNISOUND will give you more info when you initialise the card.

s-l400.jpg

It has physical jumpers for Base Address and MPU so its not PnP, Game Port and CD IO, cant find one for IRQ, usually PnP cards dont have jumpers.

True. Didn't look at the card to closely... 😀

There was a bit of a crossover era for some cards in the 95-96 timeframe where one jumper could enable PnP on or off, with it on it ignored jumpers, with it off it went by the jumper settings.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 9 of 11, by TrashPanda

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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-01-23, 04:55:
pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:39:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:38:

It has physical jumpers for Base Address and MPU so its not PnP, Game Port and CD IO, cant find one for IRQ, usually PnP cards dont have jumpers.

True. Didn't look at the card to closely... 😀

There was a bit of a crossover era for some cards in the 95-96 timeframe where one jumper could enable PnP on or off, with it on it ignored jumpers, with it off it went by the jumper settings.

Ive had a close look at the pic and I cant find any jumper for that setting but I also cant find a IRQ jumper either so perhaps its one of them weird hybrid PnP cards where a few setting can be set by the PC and the rest are jumper based, I know Creative had a few partial SB16 PnP models.

lack of IRQ jumper is very odd when you have the rest.

Perhaps this is Dell/HP/IBM model based off a Creative reference design, might explain the lack of CT model number or any other Creative branding.

Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.

Reply 10 of 11, by pan069

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 05:54:
Ive had a close look at the pic and I cant find any jumper for that setting but I also cant find a IRQ jumper either so perhaps […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-01-23, 04:55:
pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 01:39:

True. Didn't look at the card to closely... 😀

There was a bit of a crossover era for some cards in the 95-96 timeframe where one jumper could enable PnP on or off, with it on it ignored jumpers, with it off it went by the jumper settings.

Ive had a close look at the pic and I cant find any jumper for that setting but I also cant find a IRQ jumper either so perhaps its one of them weird hybrid PnP cards where a few setting can be set by the PC and the rest are jumper based, I know Creative had a few partial SB16 PnP models.

lack of IRQ jumper is very odd when you have the rest.

Perhaps this is Dell/HP/IBM model based off a Creative reference design, might explain the lack of CT model number or any other Creative branding.

The photo is very blurry and it's difficult to make out but it looks like the jumpers are for the IDE, MPU and Joystick config. So, from a sound point of view, this is probably just a PnP card. 😀

Reply 11 of 11, by TrashPanda

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pan069 wrote on 2022-01-23, 06:40:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 05:54:
Ive had a close look at the pic and I cant find any jumper for that setting but I also cant find a IRQ jumper either so perhaps […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-01-23, 04:55:

There was a bit of a crossover era for some cards in the 95-96 timeframe where one jumper could enable PnP on or off, with it on it ignored jumpers, with it off it went by the jumper settings.

Ive had a close look at the pic and I cant find any jumper for that setting but I also cant find a IRQ jumper either so perhaps its one of them weird hybrid PnP cards where a few setting can be set by the PC and the rest are jumper based, I know Creative had a few partial SB16 PnP models.

lack of IRQ jumper is very odd when you have the rest.

Perhaps this is Dell/HP/IBM model based off a Creative reference design, might explain the lack of CT model number or any other Creative branding.

The photo is very blurry and it's difficult to make out but it looks like the jumpers are for the IDE, MPU and Joystick config. So, from a sound point of view, this is probably just a PnP card. 😀

Base address is JP2 and Jp4, table for it is next to the Panasonic connector. Having this jumper is why I think its not a full PnP card, its certainly an odd card, would love some sharper pics of front and back and like you suggested Unisound might tell us more.

Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.