VOGONS


First post, by furan

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Hi,
So I'm building a machine that has weird/old console cards in it - the build has taken a while, and I have yet to find the CD-I/PC 2.0 ISA card to add CD-I disc support to the PC.

It does have:
3DO Blaster
PC-FX/GA ISA
3D Blaster VLB
Diamond Edge PCI/NVIDIA NV1 (if you're curious about the video port ask offline).

I have read that the C-Cube MPEG decoder chips support CD-I in microcode, and I saw mention in one comment thread that the creative dxr2 DVD Decoder card (which has a C-Cube Ziva) supports CD-I. Is this true? Do any of the other decoders/players support CD-I?

I'd really like to round out this machine with CD-I game support.
Thanks.

Reply 1 of 10, by Stiletto

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I think you just made my night. I guess I never saw your previous topic: Building a game console card host machine, looking for CD-I ISA board.

Regarding the CD-I/PC 2.0 card:
Philips 22ER9170/00 seems to have been the CD-I/PC 2.0 part number for the PAL version and 22ER9170/17 for the NTSC version, incidentally. It's mentioned on the reverse side of the CD-I/PC 2.0 flyer but I haven't seen that in print on the Internet yet really aside from Philips' website. So, another VOGONS first? 😉

I found a crap website that claimed to have the user manual but it seems it was just a scam, probably trying to infect you with viruses. Might be worth pestering Philips since it is listed on their website, though I am sure we can all guess what the response to "can you send me any information on the CD-I/PC 2.0 card, any of its drivers or manuals, and I'd even buy one if available" will be: https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/22ER9170_00/-/support

http://www.theworldofcdi.com was also looking for the CD-I/PC 2.0 card in 2017. I doubt they found it, but they responded to that thread again in 2019 to say that they got their hands ons tons of authoring software options. They also acquired the I2M PCI card (though they do not mention it in the AssemblerGames post)
https://assemblergames.com/threads/mario-take … e-3#post-943119

This seems to be a little more info on the card, though I wonder if it wasn't the possible "CD-i/PC 1.0 card" instead, as all these articles suggest a minimum CPU of a 386, while the flyer on the CD-I/PC 2.0 card claims that it requires a 486:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/philips_releas … onal_computers/
https://books.google.com/books?id=7wsEAAAAMBA … 2FPC%22&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=xAsEAAAAMBA … 2FPC%22&f=false
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/AUSTRALI … lia-1996-01.pdf pg 114-115 in the PDF, 116-117 in the actual page numbers.

Unfortunately I cannot tell you about the Creative DXR2 DVD Decoder. If I had to guess, it probably only supported "CD-i Movies" and not "CD-i Games".

I scanned a C-Cube CL450 developer manual once, it's here in case it is at all useful, but I guess it isn't: http://mess.redump.net/datasheets/c-cube

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Reply 2 of 10, by furan

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Thanks for digging all of that up! I was able to find that the DVDA (digital video disc association) donated both a few PCI cards to the Computer History Museum, but somehow I think they'll want to hold onto them:
https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/c … talog/102662512
https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/c … talog/102662502

Reply 3 of 10, by Stiletto

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Al Kossow's an old "Internet friend" of mine, I can ask questions about it at least!

I saw a tweet that stated that http://www.theworldofcdi.com got their hands on an I2M PCI CD-i card themselves:
https://twitter.com/jbrooksbsi/status/781520904232640512
(not mentioned in the AssemblerGames thread!) I doubt they will also part with it but maybe they can tell you where they found it or test some things for you!

[EDIT] WinDrivers has a Y2K post from some poor soul who ended up with one of the I2M cards and mentions some info about it:
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthread.php?1 … dentifying-card
"PCI/CDi VERSION 2.2"
another in 2003: https://forum.tomshardware.fr/threads/c-quoi-ce-truc.488160/

There was also the "Mediaplayback professional (VERSION 2.1)" which may also be a related I2M card, with a Motorola chipset and an 8-pin DIN connector marked "CD-I"
https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/I … A-Media-44.html
https://arvutimuuseum.ee/th99/v/I-L/52820.htm
even earlier ISA card from I2M (IDK if it has anything to do with CD-I though): https://www.arvutimuuseum.ee/th99/v/I-L/52422.htm / https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/I … MEDIAPLAYB.html

[EDIT] If you want more vaporware cards, there was also the Cirrus Logic M2 Marvin prototype card. Yup, M2, the (effectively unreleased) successor to the 3DO. I once saw a photo of it decades ago, but the guy didn't have the driver disk. And only two or so M2 ISOs have ever leaked (so far as I know). You'd have to have been lurking AssemblerGames for years and acquiring street cred for years to ever come across one of those 😀 The only known owner is currently this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4OSgIRdq9g

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Reply 4 of 10, by Scali

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As far as I know, CD-i video is just an early variation of VideoCD, so it uses MPEG-1.
I have the "Keep the Faith: An Evening with Bon Jovi" CD-i disc from 1993.
This: https://www.discogs.com/Bon-Jovi-Keep-The-Fai … elease/13273102
So *not* the later VideoCD release.
I ripped the image to my HDD (I think I used PowerISO at the time, or MagicISO, or some tool like that, which can read CD-i discs in a regular CDROM drive), and that resulted in some files that can be played in most MPEG-compatible players, such as PowerDVD.
The menus and other interactive parts won't work of course, they're CD-i-specific.

http://scalibq.wordpress.com/just-keeping-it- … ro-programming/

Reply 5 of 10, by derSammler

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If you want more vaporware cards, there was also the Cirrus Logic M2 Marvin prototype card. Yup, M2, the (effectively unreleased) successor to the 3DO.

Take note that this is just a graphics card with the GPU used in the M2. It's not an "M2-on-a-card" and won't let you play M2 games.

To play back CD-i movie discs, any MPEG decoder card will do. The CD-ROM drive must support the CD-i disc format, not the decoder card. I use a "2-the-max" MPEG decoder card in a 486DX2/50 and that one plays CD-i moves just fine.

Reply 7 of 10, by Jo22

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CD-i filesystem is not supported on Win 9x anymore, unless MSCDEX is used. Or a third-party driver like this:

CD-i Filesystem Driver for Windows 95/98/Me version 2.0 (Beta)

http://www.icdia.co.uk/articles/filesystem.html
http://www.icdia.co.uk/sw_pc/disctools.html

derSammler wrote:

The CD-ROM drive must support the CD-i disc format, [..]

I think that's true, yes. The CD-ROM drive has to support the Green Book standard, too.
Also, White Book contains the specs for bridge discs, where the data is stored in CD-ROM format,
but the CD-i player's program code could be stored in Green Book (in simple words).

Edit: On Windows 3.11, all it needs is a CD-i compatible player program, by the way.
Like Xing MPEG Player, for example. 😀

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Reply 9 of 10, by Stiletto

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furan wrote:

Is there any chance of being able to play the games?

With the MPEG cards like Creative DXR2? I strongly doubt it. I think that will be CD-I Movie only.

With the weirder I2m and Philips cards? I am not certain and no one has played with one long enough to be able to say. www.theworldofcdi.com may be your best bet in proving this one way or another with the I2M card.

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Reply 10 of 10, by slimblin

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Looking for this card for almost decade now...
Haven't seen these links in your posts:

https://cdii.blogspot.com/2009/01/two-unknown … d-i-on.html?m=1
http://faberp.tripod.com/CD-IPCCARD.htm

I want this set sooooo much!

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