A good quality 4:3 LCD that can handle 75Hz refresh rate @ low resolutions 320x400, 640x480 and 800x600, not sure you will find a IPS that is in 4:3 format at any reasonable price.

the higher the refresh the LCD can handle at low resolutions the better, 4:3 is also important as its the native scaling for DOS.

I use a Dell 2007fpb for my retro machines and while its not a IPS it does handle 75Hz refresh at all normal DOS resolutions which makes DOS gaming pretty damn smooth. (Would love a NEC multisync but they are damn expensive)

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-02-18, 08:27:

A good quality 4:3 LCD that can handle 75Hz refresh rate @ low resolutions 320x400, 640x480 and 800x600, not sure you will find a IPS that is in 4:3 format at any reasonable price.

the higher the refresh the LCD can handle at low resolutions the better, 4:3 is also important as its the native scaling for DOS.

I use a Dell 2007fpb for my retro machines and while its not a IPS it does handle 75Hz refresh at all normal DOS resolutions which makes DOS gaming pretty damn smooth. (Would love a NEC multisync but they are damn expensive)

Thanks,
The reason why I prefer IPS is because I feel it more suitable to my eyes.
16:9 is ok for me, I game with windows xp mainly so I can do patched widescreen.

As part of developing CRT Terminator Digital VGA Feature Card ISA DV1000 , I have acquired the following test displays in my lab:

Fujitsu-Siemens P19-1 YEGA519530 (March 2003) 1280x1024 TFT LCD
Sony SDM-X73 (May 2004) 1280x1024 TFT LCD
Dell 2007FPB (March 2006) 1600x1200 TFT LCD
Dell 2007WFP (March 2006) 1680x1050 TFT LCD
BenQ ET-0029-B (Oct 2009) 1920x1080 TFT LCD
Acer V223w (July 2009) 1680 x 1050 TFT LCD
BenQ BL3201PT (2014) 3820x2160 AHVA IPS, W-LED
HP EliteDisplay E241i (July 2014) 1920x1200 IPS LED
Philips Brilliance 252B9/00 (Jan 2022) 1920x1200 IPS W-LED
ASUS ProArt PA248QV (May 2022) 1920x1200 IPS LED

These are sorted in date order, but I find they are quite well also sorted in quality order. I prefer the ASUS display the best, and the Philips Brilliance the second best.

There does not exist any IPS 720p native displays for consumer markets - although maybe in some industrial use cases such a resolution might be a thing.

Eizo S2133 / S2134 might be the best, profesional grade 21" 1600x1200 IPS with LED backlight and 4:3 retro aspect ratio, can still be found new for about 1000 bucks

God Of Gaming wrote on 2024-02-18, 09:42:

Eizo S2133 / S2134 might be the best, profesional grade 21" 1600x1200 IPS with LED backlight and 4:3 retro aspect ratio, can still be found new for about 1000 bucks

I know a few who might consider that a price worth paying but its a bit rich for a retro monitor, still as nice as it is ...hmmm one can dream right~!

Well the question was, what is best, not what is affordable 😉 I personally use a CRT and I find it to be superior in most ways that matter than anything LCD and even competing with OLED. Blacks are super deep and really black, colors are great, motion clarity is unmatched, lattency is non-existent, and lower resolutions are displayed as if native, without any upscaling, something no modern panel can do. Also pixels have this soft look without being blurry, that looks superb for 2D games. The physical size/weight and the power draw are a small price to pay

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-02-18, 09:53:

God Of Gaming wrote on 2024-02-18, 09:42:

Eizo S2133 / S2134 might be the best, profesional grade 21" 1600x1200 IPS with LED backlight and 4:3 retro aspect ratio, can still be found new for about 1000 bucks

I know a few who might consider that a price worth paying but its a bit rich for a retro monitor, still as nice as it is ...hmmm one can dream right~!

Not me for sure.
Still open for suggestion.
My desire would be to have a native resolution as low as possible to let a Pentium III 1400 with a Radeon 9800 keep up with early/mid 2000 games (and sporadic DOS games).
Preferably IPS but I see that it is difficult.
CRT is out of discussion for space.

That pentium 3 gotta be bottlenecking that radeon 9800 pretty hard, going lower in res will just make things worse and introduce microstutter. Just get an used Dell 2007FP or HP LP2065, these are 20" 1600x1200 IPS monitors with CCFL backlight, which you can find used / refurbished for next to nothing and can even take digital DVI input from your radeon 9800 for slightly better image than the analog VGA

Can't exactly go much lower native res than this anyways, the step down from 1600x1200 is 1280x1024 which is 5:4 aspect ratio not 4:3, and if you go below that to 1024x768, you will only find small 15" LCDs with crappy TN panels

God Of Gaming wrote on 2024-02-18, 10:05:

That pentium 3 gotta be bottlenecking that radeon 9800 pretty hard, going lower in res will just make things worse and introduce microstutter. Just get an used Dell 2007FP or HP LP2065, these are 20" 1600x1200 IPS monitors with CCFL backlight, which you can find used / refurbished for next to nothing and can even take digital DVI input from your radeon 9800 for slightly better image than the analog VGA

Its what I use, I even have the LED backlight mods for the two I have, just have to find the time to install them. I spent ages hunting for suitable LCD monitors and what i quickly realised is that any LCD that is IPS/TN and capable of handling the 75Hz refresh rate for DOS/4:3 resolutions is going to be stupidly expensive or the shipping alone will be more than what the panel is worth.

I did consider a cheaper 1920x1200 panel with a 16:10 ratio that had the right refresh rate for DOS gaming but it wasn't that much cheaper and I dislike the black bars but if I didn't have the two Dell panels I would certainly consider it as a suitable option.

You also need to account for scaling on non 4:3 ratio panels, if your GPU cant do it then you will need to factor in if the panel can do it or have a hardware scaler. (There are some really nice hardware scalers out there that are useful for more than just DOS gaming)

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-02-18, 10:06:

Its what I use, I even have the LED backlight mods for the two I have, just have to find the time to install them. I spent ages […]
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God Of Gaming wrote on 2024-02-18, 10:05:

That pentium 3 gotta be bottlenecking that radeon 9800 pretty hard, going lower in res will just make things worse and introduce microstutter. Just get an used Dell 2007FP or HP LP2065, these are 20" 1600x1200 IPS monitors with CCFL backlight, which you can find used / refurbished for next to nothing and can even take digital DVI input from your radeon 9800 for slightly better image than the analog VGA

Its what I use, I even have the LED backlight mods for the two I have, just have to find the time to install them. I spent ages hunting for suitable LCD monitors and what i quickly realised is that any LCD that is IPS/TN and capable of handling the 75Hz refresh rate for DOS/4:3 resolutions is going to be stupidly expensive or the shipping alone will be more than what the panel is worth.

I did consider a cheaper 1920x1200 panel with a 16:10 ratio that had the right refresh rate for DOS gaming but it wasn't that much cheaper and I dislike the black bars but if I didn't have the two Dell panels I would certainly consider it as a suitable option.

You also need to account for scaling on non 4:3 ratio panels, if your GPU cant do it then you will need to factor in if the panel can do it or have a hardware scaler. (There are some really nice hardware scalers out there that are useful for more than just DOS gaming)

I could be interested in one of yours, modded, if possible.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-02-18, 08:27:

I use a Dell 2007fpb for my retro machines and while its not a IPS it does handle 75Hz refresh at all normal DOS resolutions which makes DOS gaming pretty damn smooth. (Would love a NEC multisync but they are damn expensive)

Dell 2007fpb does not support 70-75Hz refresh rate without frame skipping. That applies to practically all old IPS/xVA 1600x1200 panels.

Im using HP EliteDisplay E190i

The retro PC -> LCD display problem has not been solved. There are many "solutions", but they are all varying degrees of bad.

Devices such as the upcoming "CRT Terminator" will help.

A VGA scaler that actually works will be the best long term solution if it is ever invented.

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-19, 18:24:

Im using HP EliteDisplay E190i

Seems good
Even IPS and at a decent low resolution

Mamba wrote on 2024-02-19, 19:26:

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-19, 18:24:

Im using HP EliteDisplay E190i

Seems good
Even IPS and at a decent low resolution

Exactly and it was relatively cheap , i bought one from ebay for 35eu.

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-20, 05:19:

Mamba wrote on 2024-02-19, 19:26:

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-19, 18:24:

Im using HP EliteDisplay E190i

Seems good
Even IPS and at a decent low resolution

Exactly and it was relatively cheap , i bought one from ebay for 35eu.

We have a winner.
Thanks

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-02-19, 17:15:

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-02-18, 08:27:

I use a Dell 2007fpb for my retro machines and while its not a IPS it does handle 75Hz refresh at all normal DOS resolutions which makes DOS gaming pretty damn smooth. (Would love a NEC multisync but they are damn expensive)

Dell 2007fpb does not support 70-75Hz refresh rate without frame skipping. That applies to practically all old IPS/xVA 1600x1200 panels.

I assume you are talking about the frame rate conversion the panel does ?

I honestly dont see it as an issue, I have yet to have any issues with DOS games on the panel and it has seen many hundreds of different DOS games at this point. I guess if I had a bigger budget I could find a better panel and I would love to have a better panel but not at the prices they go for.

At least its an affordable option.

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-20, 05:19:

Mamba wrote on 2024-02-19, 19:26:

ciornyi wrote on 2024-02-19, 18:24:

Im using HP EliteDisplay E190i

Seems good
Even IPS and at a decent low resolution

Exactly and it was relatively cheap , i bought one from ebay for 35eu.

I also have an HP EliteDisplay E190i. 1280x1024, IPS, decent image. Has VGA, DVI, and DisplayPort. I got it for $10 locally. I'd add my recommendation for this monitor!

DisplayPort can be handy for connecting a modern PC. I had trouble with sending an HDMI signal into the DVI port (via passive adapter) from a modern HDMI PC via a DVI KVM... but that is definitely an edge scenario...

clb wrote on 2024-02-18, 09:10:

As part of developing CRT Terminator Digital VGA Feature Card ISA DV1000 , I have acquired the following test displays in my lab […]
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As part of developing CRT Terminator Digital VGA Feature Card ISA DV1000 , I have acquired the following test displays in my lab:

Fujitsu-Siemens P19-1 YEGA519530 (March 2003) 1280x1024 TFT LCD
Sony SDM-X73 (May 2004) 1280x1024 TFT LCD
Dell 2007FPB (March 2006) 1600x1200 TFT LCD
Dell 2007WFP (March 2006) 1680x1050 TFT LCD
BenQ ET-0029-B (Oct 2009) 1920x1080 TFT LCD
Acer V223w (July 2009) 1680 x 1050 TFT LCD
BenQ BL3201PT (2014) 3820x2160 AHVA IPS, W-LED
HP EliteDisplay E241i (July 2014) 1920x1200 IPS LED
Philips Brilliance 252B9/00 (Jan 2022) 1920x1200 IPS W-LED
ASUS ProArt PA248QV (May 2022) 1920x1200 IPS LED

These are sorted in date order, but I find they are quite well also sorted in quality order. I prefer the ASUS display the best, and the Philips Brilliance the second best.

There does not exist any IPS 720p native displays for consumer markets - although maybe in some industrial use cases such a resolution might be a thing.

I own a Philips 252B9 and, IMHO, one reason to prefer it to the Asus PA248QV is the fact that the Philips 252B9 has a forced 4:3 mode that the Asus PA248QV does not [1].

The lack of such a feature may not be an issue if the intended use case is with a CRT Terminator Digital VGA Feature Card ISA DV1000, which handles aspect ratio control (if I understand correctly), but it is essential if one wants proper 4:3 aspect ratio in 320x200 modes when using either a direct connection or an OSSC.

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Re: Purchasing a 4:3 LCD for DOS/DOSBOX/MISTER/OSSC games?