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Postby Jorpho » 2015-4-09 @ 16:55

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to attempt to dig up some old game whose source code is available and that happens to crash? It may be feasible to trace the crash down to some particular function. I can't think of anything offhand that would apply, though. You could also try flipping through the executables with a hex editor to see if maybe there's something identifiable that they have in common (perhaps traces of some particular SDK?), but that is increasingly wishful thinking.
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Postby mirh » 2015-4-10 @ 12:31

Jorpho wrote:Perhaps it would be worthwhile to attempt to dig up some old game whose source code is available and that happens to crash? It may be feasible to trace the crash down to some particular function. I can't think of anything offhand that would apply, though. You could also try flipping through the executables with a hex editor to see if maybe there's something identifiable that they have in common (perhaps traces of some particular SDK?), but that is increasingly wishful thinking.
You just need a debugger and some assembly knowledge I'd say.
Something not within reach of the average guy though
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Re: Why does my new PC crash games that work for other people? Lengthy testing results within, please help!

Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-10 @ 13:01

I might have a new angle on this, something I never thought of so far, and forgot from my PC spec in my signature... I'm running a Corsair H100i water cooling system, and noticed this post over here: http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129762

Whilst that refers to DX9 games, which tend to be fine for me, it could be another line of enquiry to look into...
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Re: Why does my new PC crash games that work for other people? Lengthy testing results within, please help!

Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-10 @ 17:07

IT WORKED!

Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2 and Jetboat Superchamps 2 both work now! Some other games don't, but they have different issues I think.

All I did was disable the HID compliant item it found on my system (rather than unplugging the USB from the cooler).

Of course, now the fans aren't CPU controlled, but I'll look into other options later, at least now I have the root cause!
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Postby Jorpho » 2015-4-10 @ 17:14

Good Googling. :)

It might be worthwhile to see if the NirSoft USB tools cause a crash, but then, since those have nothing to do with DirectX, that might be a stretch.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_log_view.html
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html
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Postby tincup » 2015-4-10 @ 18:06

Bravo! Persistence!
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Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-10 @ 22:12

This whole endeavour did cost me about £9 though, as the SATA connector snapped on my 4TB Western Digital Black drive, so I had to RMA it back to WD, which cost nearly £9!
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Postby filipetolhuizen » 2015-4-10 @ 22:40

Now we're getting somewhere. Anything else unusual you got plugged in there?
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Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-11 @ 00:09

Nothing that I didn't try disconnecting in previous tests! I was thinking it had to be motherboard or CPU, totally overlooking the water cooling system!

I wonder if I can connect it to PSU/case instead and control the fans with the case speed switch, as I do with the other fans?

Alternatively I could try installing the CLink software, but people said on that forum it doesn't help with the crashes.

More news probably later in the weekend or early next week...
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Postby BuckoA51 » 2015-4-12 @ 09:37

Does that mean you don't need all the BIOS and dip data from me now, I was getting around to it (honest).
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Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-12 @ 10:23

I don't need it now, unless you also run the H100i watercolour fans?
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Postby BuckoA51 » 2015-4-12 @ 11:04

My cooler is the CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) I don't remember any software coming with it at all.
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Postby Silanda » 2015-4-12 @ 16:05

BuckoA51 wrote:My cooler is the CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) I don't remember any software coming with it at all.


It doesn't, but the higher models plug into an internal USB port and do. I've got a H60 and one of the reason I went for it rather than a more expensive model was the possibility that a driver or flashable firmware controlled cooler could either cause problems or get bricked. From this and other reports it seems I was right to worry.
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Postby VirtuaIceMan » 2015-4-13 @ 00:01

Okay I tested and I can remove the USB link cable altogether, it's really just for monitoring in Windows (and to set the colour of the LED on the cooling unit lol). The fans still spin up when things get hot.

So now NFSHP2 and the Jetboat Superchamp games both work. Blip & Blop still likes crashing if you press Escape during the intro.

Sega Rally 2 now works, and I have music through _inmm.dll, so that's good.

However some games still don't work, but that's probably something else... still have to retest the ones I have logged as broken first! More news on that anyway at another time. More games to install still, first!
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Re: FIXED see pg 5: Why does my new PC crash games that work for other people? Lengthy testing results within, please help!

Postby hmm45 » 2019-11-21 @ 19:57

hello,
I would like to play Blip n Blop virtually, but I cannot get it to work (tried win764 or xp86, doesn't even launch, error follows either primary surface error or uk.dat not found)

now, I do know that I could just do it on my main machine (w10, which works with no crashes), but I do not want to launch any .exes from random websites (it's sort of like eating an apple or something with not washed hands)
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Re: FIXED see pg 5: Why does my new PC crash games that work for other people? Lengthy testing results within, please help!

Postby mrpenguinb » 2019-11-23 @ 07:38

hmm45 wrote:hello,
I would like to play Blip n Blop virtually, but I cannot get it to work (tried win764 or xp86, doesn't even launch, error follows either primary surface error or uk.dat not found)

now, I do know that I could just do it on my main machine (w10, which works with no crashes), but I do not want to launch any .exes from random websites (it's sort of like eating an apple or something with not washed hands)

Use Windows 10's Sandbox feature if you can. You have to be running Windows 10 Professional however to use it.

Otherwise, submit the files you are suspicious of to VirusTotal.com to see if the file(s) are malicious.
Please create a new forum thread/post with your issues instead of using other threads to do so.
This forum on Vogons is only for running games on currently supported versions of Windows (not XP, or even Vista, Windows 7 will soon be unsupported).
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Re: FIXED see pg 5: Why does my new PC crash games that work for other people? Lengthy testing results within, please help!

Postby Stiletto » 2019-11-24 @ 23:08

mrpenguinb wrote:This forum on Vogons is only for running games on currently supported versions of Windows (not XP, or even Vista, Windows 7 will soon be unsupported).


... That interpretation is probably taking things a little far...
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