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Reply 29920 of 30765, by Thermalwrong

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2025-07-28, 13:58:
Thermalwrong wrote on 2025-07-28, 13:53:
Wahoo Vogons is back :) I was concerned that it might have been caused by the age verification stuff going on in the UK but perh […]
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Wahoo Vogons is back 😀 I was concerned that it might have been caused by the age verification stuff going on in the UK but perhaps it was a hosting problem?

Uh, I modified one of my Toshiba Libretto 50CT to have a way to hook up a PS/2 mouse directly without the port replicator - using a USB port for USB mice that are compatible with PS/2 signalling. Since I've done this using the port replicator previously this time I wanted it to be inside the case and using a CF card for storage and a custom caddy, the plan is to have a USB port mounted in the 3d printed HDD caddy with a hole in the also 3d printed HDD cover.
First thing was tracing the signals back from the port replicator connector:

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Not sure if the ground I've selected is an analogue ground for the sound chip or a main one but it works.

The casing is so tight that wires can't fit from the topside of the board into the underside where the hard drive fits though, so I used this flat flex cable that I'd salvaged off something instead.

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How the wiring works is the mouse data and clock go into the corners of the Toshiba 471HP chip which afaik is the combo mouse and keyboard controller. But the pull up resistors and inductors / ferrite bead that the signals need would normally be inside the port replicator, so it's necessary to put those in here as well.
There are 10k resistors soldered directly to the points for mouse clock and mouse data with a 30AWG wire-wrapping wire running from each to the 5v source. Then there's a separate wire with the 600 ohm ferrite bead (what I have available) connected in line to the flat flex connector and awkwardly these had to be flipped around to match the pinout for a PS/2 to USB adapter.

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Careful application of kapton tape to stop it all shorting out. Should still be able to fit the memory expansion board.

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Now to re-design the HDD caddy 3d model to accomodate a USB port mounting so it can all fit flush 😀
It worked first time and the libretto is way more fun to use with a real mouse.

The Hosting company Linode had major Data Center issues after some really bad storms came through North Jersey and New York the other night.

Ah I had no idea, thank you for the info 😀

Kahenraz wrote on 2025-07-28, 17:31:
Thermalwrong wrote on 2025-07-28, 13:53:
Wahoo Vogons is back :) I was concerned that it might have been caused by the age verification stuff going on in the UK but perh […]
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Wahoo Vogons is back 😀 I was concerned that it might have been caused by the age verification stuff going on in the UK but perhaps it was a hosting problem?

Uh, I modified one of my Toshiba Libretto 50CT to have a way to hook up a PS/2 mouse directly without the port replicator - using a USB port for USB mice that are compatible with PS/2 signalling. Since I've done this using the port replicator previously this time I wanted it to be inside the case and using a CF card for storage and a custom caddy, the plan is to have a USB port mounted in the 3d printed HDD caddy with a hole in the also 3d printed HDD cover.
First thing was tracing the signals back from the port replicator connector:

The attachment libretto-50ct-ps2-mod-1.jpg is no longer available

Not sure if the ground I've selected is an analogue ground for the sound chip or a main one but it works.

The casing is so tight that wires can't fit from the topside of the board into the underside where the hard drive fits though, so I used this flat flex cable that I'd salvaged off something instead.

The attachment libretto-50ct-ps2-mod-2.jpg is no longer available

How the wiring works is the mouse data and clock go into the corners of the Toshiba 471HP chip which afaik is the combo mouse and keyboard controller. But the pull up resistors and inductors / ferrite bead that the signals need would normally be inside the port replicator, so it's necessary to put those in here as well.
There are 10k resistors soldered directly to the points for mouse clock and mouse data with a 30AWG wire-wrapping wire running from each to the 5v source. Then there's a separate wire with the 600 ohm ferrite bead (what I have available) connected in line to the flat flex connector and awkwardly these had to be flipped around to match the pinout for a PS/2 to USB adapter.

The attachment libretto-50ct-ps2-mod-3.jpg is no longer available

Careful application of kapton tape to stop it all shorting out. Should still be able to fit the memory expansion board.

The attachment libretto-50ct-ps2-mod-4.jpg is no longer available

Now to re-design the HDD caddy 3d model to accomodate a USB port mounting so it can all fit flush 😀
It worked first time and the libretto is way more fun to use with a real mouse.

I don't see the ferrite bead in the photo. Is it strictly necessary?

They're the little SMD ferrite beads in line with the clock and data pins where it solders onto the flat flex cable. They're not strictly necessary since my previous build in the dock just used pull-up resistors and it's always worked well, but most ps/2 implementations I've seen do use them and although I can't find the pictures I took a few years back, I'm pretty sure the libretto's dock with the PS/2 ports used ferrite beads inline to filter interference.

Reply 29921 of 30765, by Linoleum

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I picked up this 1995 CD-ROM drive for just a few bucks, and honestly, it's the cleanest and best looking drive I've ever seen—even compared to models from the 2000s! But it came with one issue: the tray motor was completely seized. So I gave it a little spa treatment—soaked it in WD-40, gently rotated the motor with some pliers, cleared out the WD-40 using compressed air, and added a touch of fresh oil. Now it's running like new, back to its glory days!

P3 866, V3, SB Audigy2
P2 400, TNT, V2, SB Audigy2 ZS
P233 MMX, Mystique220, V1, AWE64
P166, S3 Virge, SB32, PicoGus
486DX4 100, CLGD5424, SB32
Prolinea 4/50, ET4000, SB16
SC386SX 25, TVGA8900D, Audician32
286 10, ATI VGA, Forte16
PS2 30/286, SBP

Reply 29922 of 30765, by Ozzuneoj

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Linoleum wrote on 2025-07-28, 23:26:

I picked up this 1995 CD-ROM drive for just a few bucks, and honestly, it's the cleanest and best looking drive I've ever seen—even compared to models from the 2000s! But it came with one issue: the tray motor was completely seized. So I gave it a little spa treatment—soaked it in WD-40, gently rotated the motor with some pliers, cleared out the WD-40 using compressed air, and added a touch of fresh oil. Now it's running like new, back to its glory days!

Wow, that's a good match for that computer with the darker colored button and volume dial.

Nice job!

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 29923 of 30765, by Linoleum

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2025-07-29, 00:03:
Linoleum wrote on 2025-07-28, 23:26:

I picked up this 1995 CD-ROM drive for just a few bucks, and honestly, it's the cleanest and best looking drive I've ever seen—even compared to models from the 2000s! But it came with one issue: the tray motor was completely seized. So I gave it a little spa treatment—soaked it in WD-40, gently rotated the motor with some pliers, cleared out the WD-40 using compressed air, and added a touch of fresh oil. Now it's running like new, back to its glory days!

Wow, that's a good match for that computer with the darker colored button and volume dial.

Nice job!

Thanks! I thought I would be the only one noticing the color matched buttons... 🤣!

P3 866, V3, SB Audigy2
P2 400, TNT, V2, SB Audigy2 ZS
P233 MMX, Mystique220, V1, AWE64
P166, S3 Virge, SB32, PicoGus
486DX4 100, CLGD5424, SB32
Prolinea 4/50, ET4000, SB16
SC386SX 25, TVGA8900D, Audician32
286 10, ATI VGA, Forte16
PS2 30/286, SBP

Reply 29924 of 30765, by Ozzuneoj

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Just testing out some video cards here and I came across something odd.

I have an XFX AGP card that is labeled as "Geforce4 MX440SE 64MB SDR TV-Out VGA". The system detects it as an MX440 (not unusual), but Everest says that is, get this: using SDR running at 333Mhz?

RivaTuner says the card is a 128bit MX440 with SDR Memory. The memory clock (on the info page) is shown as "166.5Mhz (MPLL doubling detected)"; Memory PLL FVCO is 333.0Mhz. SIV shows that the memory clock is 333Mhz.

The memory chips are V-Data VDS6616A4A-6, so they are 6ns SDRAM (166Mhz). The datasheet is available here.

Obviously the chips can't lie... they don't seem to be DDR memory, and they are only rated at 166Mhz. But it is odd that more than one program is detecting the memory clock as 333Mhz. Maybe it's just because the MX440\440SE are supposed to use DDR (often 64bit...), so these programs just assume the speed should be doubled?

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 29925 of 30765, by vutt

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Day 1 of my AWE64 memory upgrade adventure. SMD soldering baby, yeah!
Tomorrow I need to program and solder GAL chip in order to get rid those botch wires. Also "beutify" PCB - remove flux and perhaps give some touches to my amateurish soldering...
...and donate this guy for his effort: https://bitsundbolts.com/2025/07/01/the-small … xpansion-board/

Reply 29926 of 30765, by T-Squared

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Somehow I got Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure working on a V20 processor last night, which, according to the game's documentation, should be impossible.

Reply 29927 of 30765, by Ozzuneoj

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T-Squared wrote on 2025-07-30, 19:58:

Somehow I got Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure working on a V20 processor last night, which, according to the game's documentation, should be impossible.

I had to look up that PC you're using (I see you made a thread about it a few months back), because I have never seen a PC like that with a tiny color CRT. I thought any machines that came with built in screen like that were monochrome. Very cool system!

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 29928 of 30765, by pan069

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vutt wrote on 2025-07-30, 19:24:

Day 1 of my AWE64 memory upgrade adventure. SMD soldering baby, yeah!
Tomorrow I need to program and solder GAL chip in order to get rid those botch wires. Also "beutify" PCB - remove flux and perhaps give some touches to my amateurish soldering...
...and donate this guy for his effort: https://bitsundbolts.com/2025/07/01/the-small … xpansion-board/

It's an interesting project. A couple of years ago I managed to buy these boards (image below) from "the bay". I think they were produced by a Russian seller. It might be sanctions related that I haven't seen these being sold since.

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Reply 29929 of 30765, by DarthSun

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Speaking of Awe expansion, I bought SimmConn 7 years ago.

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The 3 body problems cannot be solved, neither for future quantum computers, even for the remainder of the universe. The Proton 2D is circling a planet and stepping back to the quantum size in 11 dimensions.

Reply 29930 of 30765, by dionb

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Bought a PC based on potatocam photo that looked like it had a nice EISA motherboard but was filthy and damaged

Then picked it up:
- no damage, little filth
- case is a very nice AT bigtower from the early 1990s
- nice EISA+VLB motherboard (TMC PET48PN)
- decent VLB VGA and I/O cards, MS bus mouse card and 3.5" and 5.25" HD FDDs

Also pile of RAM in the board, looks like 8x 4MB 30p SIMMs and 2x 8MB 72p SIMMs so 48MB on an early 486. Impressive.

But...

Hooked up the motherboard, attached a PSU, VGA and POST card and:

00
C1

** BLAM **

Tantalum cap exploded on me. The board is riddled with them. Need to replace a lot and just hope nothing else was damaged when it blew. Probably also need to perform surgery on the DS1387 RTC+SRAM chip, but at least it's socketed.

Reply 29931 of 30765, by T-Squared

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2025-07-30, 20:41:
T-Squared wrote on 2025-07-30, 19:58:

Somehow I got Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure working on a V20 processor last night, which, according to the game's documentation, should be impossible.

I had to look up that PC you're using (I see you made a thread about it a few months back), because I have never seen a PC like that with a tiny color CRT. I thought any machines that came with built in screen like that were monochrome. Very cool system!

It's about to be expanded more, since I recently got a Xircom PE2-10BT parallel ethernet adaptor!

There seems to be a problem with the CRT circuitry, because the colors don't seem to contrast well enough. I don't care if they don't match up exactly with CGA/EGA specification, I'm more worried about the fact that the dark colors look nearly the same as the light colors.

Reply 29932 of 30765, by dominusprog

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DarthSun wrote on 2025-07-30, 21:04:

Speaking of Awe expansion, I bought SimmConn 7 years ago.

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Is this an original part?

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A-Trend ATC-1020 V1.1 ❇ Cyrix 6x86 150+ @ 120MHz ❇ 32MiB EDO RAM (8MiBx4) ❇ A-Trend S3 Trio64V2 2MiB
Aztech Pro16 II-3D PnP ❇ 8.4GiB Quantum Fireball ❇ Win95 OSR2 Plus!

Reply 29934 of 30765, by dominusprog

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pan069 wrote on 2025-07-31, 21:16:
Nah, it's an aftermarket product but no longer produced. Similar models are now produced by Serdashop. […]
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dominusprog wrote on 2025-07-31, 12:03:

Is this an original part?

Nah, it's an aftermarket product but no longer produced. Similar models are now produced by Serdashop.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190306030347/ht … onn.tripod.com/

https://www.serdashop.com/SIMMCONN

Thanks for the info.

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Aztech Pro16 II-3D PnP ❇ 8.4GiB Quantum Fireball ❇ Win95 OSR2 Plus!

Reply 29935 of 30765, by DarthSun

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dominusprog wrote on 2025-07-31, 12:03:
DarthSun wrote on 2025-07-30, 21:04:

Speaking of Awe expansion, I bought SimmConn 7 years ago.

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Is this an original part?
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That it wasn't a factory item, it was designed by a small manufactory, and it was available to order for a while. They asked in a domestic topic if I needed it, because group orders are available.
It works fine, even though it was turned on a long time ago.

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The 3 body problems cannot be solved, neither for future quantum computers, even for the remainder of the universe. The Proton 2D is circling a planet and stepping back to the quantum size in 11 dimensions.

Reply 29936 of 30765, by PcBytes

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Upgraded a 128MB GF6600 to 256MB, using a donor card - both are PNY, both use the same RAM.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
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Reply 29937 of 30765, by dominusprog

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DarthSun wrote on 2025-07-31, 21:57:
dominusprog wrote on 2025-07-31, 12:03:
DarthSun wrote on 2025-07-30, 21:04:

Speaking of Awe expansion, I bought SimmConn 7 years ago.

The attachment 1AweG1.jpg is no longer available
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Is this an original part?

That it wasn't a factory item, it was designed by a small manufactory, and it was available to order for a while. They asked in a domestic topic if I needed it, because group orders are available.
It works fine, even though it was turned on a long time ago.

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Got it 🙂. Nice build by the way, I'm currently working on my SS7 and I just bought a case similar to yours, post a pic of the front if you can.

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A-Trend ATC-1020 V1.1 ❇ Cyrix 6x86 150+ @ 120MHz ❇ 32MiB EDO RAM (8MiBx4) ❇ A-Trend S3 Trio64V2 2MiB
Aztech Pro16 II-3D PnP ❇ 8.4GiB Quantum Fireball ❇ Win95 OSR2 Plus!

Reply 29938 of 30765, by dominusprog

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Just watched the review of Earthion on Game Sack. The great Yuzo Koshiro is back with a bang!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMDz0wxj2qM

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A-Trend ATC-1020 V1.1 ❇ Cyrix 6x86 150+ @ 120MHz ❇ 32MiB EDO RAM (8MiBx4) ❇ A-Trend S3 Trio64V2 2MiB
Aztech Pro16 II-3D PnP ❇ 8.4GiB Quantum Fireball ❇ Win95 OSR2 Plus!

Reply 29939 of 30765, by DarthSun

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dominusprog wrote on 2025-08-01, 04:26:
That it wasn't a factory item, it was designed by a small manufactory, and it was available to order for a while. They asked in […]
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DarthSun wrote on 2025-07-31, 21:57:
dominusprog wrote on 2025-07-31, 12:03:

Is this an original part?

That it wasn't a factory item, it was designed by a small manufactory, and it was available to order for a while. They asked in a domestic topic if I needed it, because group orders are available.
It works fine, even though it was turned on a long time ago.

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Got it 🙂. Nice build by the way, I'm currently working on my SS7 and I just bought a case similar to yours, post a pic of the front if you can.
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I didn't bleach it, it's such a beautiful yellow, as if it came from the factory 😀

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The 3 body problems cannot be solved, neither for future quantum computers, even for the remainder of the universe. The Proton 2D is circling a planet and stepping back to the quantum size in 11 dimensions.