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Reply 41360 of 52730, by PcBytes

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I would suggest using Samsung/IBM or single-sided sticks. Those are usually a guarantee to work on 440BX mobos. Avoid the cheaper single-sided sticks that only have a total of 4 memory chips on them - those will NOT work in anything that doesn't natively work with PC133 chips.

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Reply 41362 of 52730, by BitWrangler

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It's obviously a rite of passage thing, first you have to kill a Nokia for it's screen.

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Reply 41363 of 52730, by bjwil1991

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Bought an ATi EGA Wonder 3.03 that'll fit nicely in my Compaq Portable XT.

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Reply 41364 of 52730, by TrashPanda

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Just bought this nice Radeon 9800 XXL

Seems to be just below a 9800 XT in specs, hoping it'll be a decent match for a P3 1ghz system, putting Voodoo 2 SLI into it as well for some Glide sexiness.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/medion-9800-xxl.b283

Also picked up a Promise Sata 300 TX4 PCI to add some sata ports to the system, IDE to Sata adaptors give me migraines.

Reply 41365 of 52730, by BitWrangler

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So if I got one of those does that fit like a US XXL or a Chinese and I'll need to go to 3X ??

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Reply 41366 of 52730, by TrashPanda

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-12-09, 03:34:

So if I got one of those does that fit like a US XXL or a Chinese and I'll need to go to 3X ??

One Size fits All !!

I was after a 9800 XT but well they are either stupidly expensive or hard to find on eBay, this card is close enough and cost 50 bucks which was cheap compared to the other options.

Reply 41367 of 52730, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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OMORES wrote on 2021-12-08, 20:54:

This Fujistu-Siemens 440BX goodie, looks good but it's not posting. Don't know if the CPU (PII-500) is working, but it should...

Seems there is a problem with memory... I used a double sided 128mb stick from HP.

Is that a model D1064 like this one of mine - download/file.php?id=105588&mode=view - as it has no trouble with double-sided sticks (currently running with 1 x 128MB PC100 Infineon plus 1 x 256MB PC133 Crucial)

Reply 41368 of 52730, by Imperious

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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-09, 03:20:
Just bought this nice Radeon 9800 XXL […]
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Just bought this nice Radeon 9800 XXL

Seems to be just below a 9800 XT in specs, hoping it'll be a decent match for a P3 1ghz system, putting Voodoo 2 SLI into it as well for some Glide sexiness.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/medion-9800-xxl.b283

Also picked up a Promise Sata 300 TX4 PCI to add some sata ports to the system, IDE to Sata adaptors give me migraines.

I used to work for a Repair Company here in Brisbane , Telefix it was, and we had the contract to repair the Medion computers these were installed in.
I would keep an eye on the Fan on that, as they used to fail and then the cards would overheat. Sometimes It killed the cards and You got triangles and other artifacts
all over the display, other times the cards were ok.
The thing was Aldi Used to replace the entire video card which was a $400 Aud at the time. I ended up acquiring about 15 of them and gave them all away to friends as
well as one for myself. I now have about 4 of them as I ended up getting some back years later.
Can't be 100% sure about Yours but they were all R360 chips which is full XT except the fact they had 128mb instead of 256mb.

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Reply 41369 of 52730, by TrashPanda

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Imperious wrote on 2021-12-09, 11:05:
I used to work for a Repair Company here in Brisbane , Telefix it was, and we had the contract to repair the Medion computers th […]
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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-09, 03:20:
Just bought this nice Radeon 9800 XXL […]
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Just bought this nice Radeon 9800 XXL

Seems to be just below a 9800 XT in specs, hoping it'll be a decent match for a P3 1ghz system, putting Voodoo 2 SLI into it as well for some Glide sexiness.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/medion-9800-xxl.b283

Also picked up a Promise Sata 300 TX4 PCI to add some sata ports to the system, IDE to Sata adaptors give me migraines.

I used to work for a Repair Company here in Brisbane , Telefix it was, and we had the contract to repair the Medion computers these were installed in.
I would keep an eye on the Fan on that, as they used to fail and then the cards would overheat. Sometimes It killed the cards and You got triangles and other artifacts
all over the display, other times the cards were ok.
The thing was Aldi Used to replace the entire video card which was a $400 Aud at the time. I ended up acquiring about 15 of them and gave them all away to friends as
well as one for myself. I now have about 4 of them as I ended up getting some back years later.
Can't be 100% sure about Yours but they were all R360 chips which is full XT except the fact they had 128mb instead of 256mb.

Thats great info, seller said the fan was good when they benchmarked the card so I’ll give it the once over when I replace the TIM.

I’ll also check the die and see if it’s the full galah, might be worth bumping the clocks if it is!

Just rechecked seller photos and it’s the R360 core listed under Everest system info. So it’s going to get some overclocking love.

Reply 41370 of 52730, by OMORES

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-12-09, 10:01:
OMORES wrote on 2021-12-08, 20:54:

This Fujistu-Siemens 440BX goodie, looks good but it's not posting. Don't know if the CPU (PII-500) is working, but it should...

Seems there is a problem with memory... I used a double sided 128mb stick from HP.

Is that a model D1064 like this one of mine - download/file.php?id=105588&mode=view - as it has no trouble with double-sided sticks (currently running with 1 x 128MB PC100 Infineon plus 1 x 256MB PC133 Crucial)

If your board is labeled W26361-W6-X-03, then it is the same...

The CPU is actually a Katmai PIII-500. In the manual are DIP switch settings up to PII-450... Maybe here is the problem. Now it's configured at 450Mhz... Do you have a newer BIOS, because I can start a BIOS recovery from floppy.

Also, the CPU fan is not spinning when connected to FAN1 (near CPU) but it's working on FAN2.

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Reply 41372 of 52730, by BitWrangler

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OMORES wrote on 2021-12-09, 12:31:

Also, the CPU fan is not spinning when connected to FAN1 (near CPU) but it's working on FAN2.

Some boards are assholes about needing to see a CPU fan RPM signal before they'll boot. You could jumper that across even if the power on that header is blown though.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 41373 of 52730, by TrashPanda

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bestemor wrote on 2021-12-09, 13:05:
TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-09, 03:20:

Also picked up a Promise Sata 300 TX4 PCI to add some sata ports to the system, IDE to Sata adaptors give me migraines.

Why ? (genuinly curious)

I have had varying degrees of success with them, 90% of the time its that the motherboard simply cannot get along with the sata to ide conversion which leads to issues with windows98/DOS. Other times its that the sata drive itself throws errors when connected and refuses to work in a way that makes it usable.

Weirdly I can take the misbehaving card put it into a different setup and have it work beautifully, due to the conflicts with older hardware I now avoid them for older builds and either use a CF to IDE card, SD > CF > IDE setup both of which work amazingly well or I buy a PCI Sata add on card and use that. (SD to CF adaptors are amazing, sd cards being plentiful and cheap makes them my main goto)

My suspicion is that the older the hardware and OS running on it is the less room you have for weird IO conflicts, could also just be the quality of the adaptors too, most come from china and we all know how hit or miss the quality is from there.

I wonder how difficult it would be to buy the parts for one and build it yourself, might be a fun little side project.

Reply 41374 of 52730, by OMORES

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-12-09, 13:10:
OMORES wrote on 2021-12-09, 12:31:

Also, the CPU fan is not spinning when connected to FAN1 (near CPU) but it's working on FAN2.

Some boards are assholes about needing to see a CPU fan RPM signal before they'll boot. You could jumper that across even if the power on that header is blown though.

I'm still investigating the problem... So far I get three codes from BIOS:
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EF
Many times I get no code on the LCD screen - don't know if it's the board or the PCI debug card, maybe needs some cooldown - and won't work between two short restarts.

Anyways, seems to hang everytime at the "System memory test" part...

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Reply 41375 of 52730, by TrashPanda

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There I was just casually looking through GPU lots on eBay and what do I spot ...

A lot with a ASUS V6600 Geforce 256, Geforce 6800 Ultra, 2 x 9800 Pro, 9600 Pro, ATI Rage Pro + 5 other AGP/PCI gpus I cant Identify from the pictures but one looks very similar to the Geforce 256 so perhaps another variant.

I had no choice but to buy the lot, set me back 200 AUD so fingers crossed the 256 works ..so I can flip it .. or play with it before putting it on the wall.

Reply 41376 of 52730, by crazii

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Get another ymf724 that is said have a wavetable ROM on it: Yamaha waveforce WF-192XG. This piece is manufactured by Yamaha I guess.
Just wonder how the wavetable works, through mpu401? does it need drivers or it only works in windows? I use ymf 724 driver and the SB & FM both works in DOS, but mpu401 doesn't.

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Reply 41377 of 52730, by crazii

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HanJammer wrote on 2021-12-05, 22:41:
crazii wrote on 2021-12-05, 20:01:

Got a YMF724 with SB Link header, guess it's pretty normal stuff here.
(...)

A-Trend card which I had back in the 90s and I still have it although my younger stupid me threw away the original box ;/

It's one of the best YMF724 cards.

Yes it's a A-Trend card. That's quite old school for you. I started playing DOS/Windows games in late 90s as a kid, at that time I'd no idea about any hardware including sound cards.🤣

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Reply 41378 of 52730, by PC@LIVE

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Ordered days ago this creative sound card, I don't know the model it says ES1371 on the chip, it will arrive in the next few days and I should install it on the Siemens D1107 (i440BX) repaired days ago.
That card has no integrated audio or lan, I have already put a pci lan, for audio if I want I could put an isa card but I prefer to use them for older PCs, also because the MB has five PCI slots.
As cpu on siemens I have a PII 350, a Siemens 128MB ram, a 4MB Trident AGP 2X video card.

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AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
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Reply 41379 of 52730, by PC@LIVE

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OMORES wrote on 2021-12-09, 12:31:
If your board is labeled W26361-W6-X-03, then it is the same... […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-12-09, 10:01:
OMORES wrote on 2021-12-08, 20:54:

This Fujistu-Siemens 440BX goodie, looks good but it's not posting. Don't know if the CPU (PII-500) is working, but it should...

Seems there is a problem with memory... I used a double sided 128mb stick from HP.

Is that a model D1064 like this one of mine - download/file.php?id=105588&mode=view - as it has no trouble with double-sided sticks (currently running with 1 x 128MB PC100 Infineon plus 1 x 256MB PC133 Crucial)

If your board is labeled W26361-W6-X-03, then it is the same...

The CPU is actually a Katmai PIII-500. In the manual are DIP switch settings up to PII-450... Maybe here is the problem. Now it's configured at 450Mhz... Do you have a newer BIOS, because I can start a BIOS recovery from floppy.

Also, the CPU fan is not spinning when connected to FAN1 (near CPU) but it's working on FAN2.

Hello I recently repaired a similar MB, but it is a different model in my case a D1107, in your case it is visible on the bios chip it is a D1064, I solved it using a PII 350 and a 128MB Siemens RAM (8 chips total, 4 for side), to configure the jumpers they must be set following the manual that you find here:
https://www.win3x.org/uh19/public/motherboard … -D1064.html.pdf
https://www.win3x.org/uh19/public/motherboard … 4d211749599.pdf

I don't know if it can boot with the jumpers set for the 450, to set it to 500 (5X) I took a look at another siemens bx, and it would be this instead of off on off on (of the 450), set on off off on (500).

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB