bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 07:20:

n the case of the Ezra-T, it's 1.45V

I am very confused by this CPU, according to all I can find 1.45V CPUs are nehemiah and not ezra, but there is no 10x100 nehemiah either, so what is it now, this specific cpu doesn't seem to be in any database? x3

imi wrote on 2022-02-14, 16:05:

I am very confused by this CPU, according to all I can find 1.45V CPUs are nehemiah and not ezra, but there is no 10x100 nehemiah either, so what is it now, this specific cpu doesn't seem to be in any database? x3

I know what you mean, I've had the same doubts. There is a lot of inconsistent information regarding these CPUs (and a lot of missing information as well). One thing's for sure, this 1 GHz CPU is indeed an Ezra-T and it runs at 1.45V (same as the Nehemiah - or, at least, some of the Nehemiahs 😅 ).

Get another few hundred Mhz of it and it's almost as fast as the K6+ at 600Mhz.... that's the dirty secret of these, and what I find surprising, since previous designs had integer performance about 20% higher than clock (of comparable CPU) and FPU 20% slower.... it's more like a media GX on steroids than an MII or improved MIII

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 18:45:

Get another few hundred Mhz of it and it's almost as fast as the K6+ at 600Mhz....

Not sure I understand. The Ezra-T is much faster than any K6-2/3+ (no matter how much these are overclocked). There's just no contest.

Yay speed...
download/file.php?id=59918&mode=view

Sorry, but Speedsys is one of the least reliable benchmarks out there and I doubt that it's measuring FPU performance.
See my post here for real world benchmark results that the K6-2/3+ can never achieve, not even with steroids 😁 : Re: Huge number of K6-2E+/570ACZ CPUs for sale on eBay

First one I found, like this one better? If you're having trouble finding the Ezra running at 600Mhz .... it's down among the 300Mhz CPUs...
download/file.php?id=11657
From the stickied 6x86 benchmark thread

Again, not sure what this proves. 😀
Yes, of course the FPU is slower clock for clock (isn't that known fact?), but the reality remains: at 1.26 GHz it beats the hell out of any SS7 CPU.

I mean you could read the K6 aiming for the stars threads where your frame rates are beaten with a Geforce 256 at 800x600

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 19:14:

I mean you could read the K6 aiming for the stars threads where your frame rates are beaten with a Geforce 256 at 800x600

Please, do show me 😁

Guess you are referring to the infamous Quake 2/Quake 3 “aiming for the stars thread”. You should read that thread more carefully. 😀 Those scores are literally useless (the game has been tweaked to the point that it’s probably just two pixels bouncing on the screen). 🤣 All the more reason why I don’t agree with these types of “benchmarks”, they are just misleading and have no real value…

Anyway, I myself have close to 20 SS7 boards, countless SS7 CPUs and have been playing with this platform for over two decades. So I do know very well what it’s capable of. When overclocked, the VIA C3 Ezra-T is almost equivalent to a Pentium 3 Katmai 600 MHz, which is something that no K6+ chip can ever achieve.

The config file is provided in that thread if you want to run it and screenshot your results at 800x600. Also a screenshot of your 3Dmark 2000 at 1024x768 is gonna be needed if we're going to address that at all. The problem with 640x480 is that barely anyone benchmarks at such a low res, here's an old Anandtech article that shows what Ultras can get at 640x480 though https://www.anandtech.com/show/601/10

So, it matches the 6th place CPU on the 6x86 integer tests, did you happen to take the merest glance at what CPUs are above it?

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 20:57:

The config file is provided in that thread if you want to run it and screenshot your results at 800x600.

I strongly disagree with what that guy is doing with that thread, so that’s a hard pass from me. 😀

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 20:57:

Also a screenshot of your 3Dmark 2000 at 1024x768 is gonna be needed if we're going to address that at all.

Will do tomorrow, once I find the time.

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 20:57:

The problem with 640x480 is that barely anyone benchmarks at such a low res

This is normal when testing CPU performance: you want to eliminate any possibility of hitting a GPU bottleneck, so benchmarking at the lowest resolutions is the way to go. Anyway, a Geforce 2 Ultra can handle higher resolutions very well. So there would be no meaningful difference at 800 x 600.

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-14, 20:57:

here's an old Anandtech article that shows what Ultras can get at 640x480 though https://www.anandtech.com/show/601/10

Those scores on Anandtech are not comparable.Anand did not test with a sound card during that period:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/601/8
Back in the day, there were games where performance would drop by almost 50% when using a sound card (Quake 3 is one of those games). This is why I specifically mentioned that I was using a sound card for my benchmark (and that it’s on Best sample conversion quality, which puts even more stress on the CPU).
Also, Anand was testing demo01, I tested demo04, which I believe is more CPU intensive.
Tomorrow I’ll do another test without a sound card in Quake 3.

bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 21:19:

Back in the day, there were games where performance would drop by almost 50% when using a sound card (Quake 3 is one of those games).

Yup, this was especially true for A3D 2.0 games when older drivers were used. It got a bit better with newer drivers i.e. version 2035 and later.

There was a nice test in Computer Gaming World from November 1999 (page 188) that specifically benchmarked the impact of audio cards on performance. From what I remember, SBLive was the best, followed by Vortex2 using newer drivers, while Sensaura cards were the worst. Note that those tests were done with DirectSound3D. Using A3D or EAX on top of that would result in even higher performance drops.

EDIT- found the relevant CGW issue.

bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 10:21:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-14, 09:32:

Awesome !

Won the case so itll have a nice shiny home.

Congrats! Be sure to show us the final build, once you have it ready (pics, or it didn't happen!). 😁

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason.

Real reason being they didn’t get what they wanted for it, here’s a hint perhaps listing it for what you want is a good idea.

Seller added to my do not buy from list.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-15, 02:17:

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason. […]
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bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 10:21:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-14, 09:32:

Awesome !

Won the case so itll have a nice shiny home.

Congrats! Be sure to show us the final build, once you have it ready (pics, or it didn't happen!). 😁

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason.

Real reason being they didn’t get what they wanted for it, here’s a hint perhaps listing it for what you want is a good idea.

Seller added to my do not buy from list.

Yeah... I've had sellers cancel on me, especially when I was the only bidder.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-15, 02:17:

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason. […]
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bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 10:21:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-14, 09:32:

Awesome !

Won the case so itll have a nice shiny home.

Congrats! Be sure to show us the final build, once you have it ready (pics, or it didn't happen!). 😁

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason.

Real reason being they didn’t get what they wanted for it, here’s a hint perhaps listing it for what you want is a good idea.

Seller added to my do not buy from list.

Why does ebay even have that function? Why can a seller cancel a sale even after payment? It's 100% bullshit!😤

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-02-15, 05:20:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-15, 02:17:

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason. […]
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bloodem wrote on 2022-02-14, 10:21:

Congrats! Be sure to show us the final build, once you have it ready (pics, or it didn't happen!). 😁

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason.

Real reason being they didn’t get what they wanted for it, here’s a hint perhaps listing it for what you want is a good idea.

Seller added to my do not buy from list.

Why does ebay even have that function? Why can a seller cancel a sale even after payment? It's 100% bullshit!😤

Yes it is, all sales should be final no exceptions for either seller or buyer.

lots of sellers have been abusing that function if they dont get an auction to sell for what they actually wanted, perhaps eBay needs a reserve price for the sellers if the auction doesnt go above the reserve then they have a get out free card.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-15, 06:08:

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-02-15, 05:20:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-15, 02:17:

Seller decided to cancel the order after it had been paid for, gave the usual bullshit excuse of item damaged as the reason.

Real reason being they didn’t get what they wanted for it, here’s a hint perhaps listing it for what you want is a good idea.

Seller added to my do not buy from list.

Why does ebay even have that function? Why can a seller cancel a sale even after payment? It's 100% bullshit!😤

Yes it is, all sales should be final no exceptions for either seller or buyer.

lots of sellers have been abusing that function if they dont get an auction to sell for what they actually wanted, perhaps eBay needs a reserve price for the sellers if the auction doesnt go above the reserve then they have a get out free card.

eBay has the "reserve price" option but they charge sellers more to use it.

What these sellers should do is start the auction price at the minimum they are willing to sell it for.

That's what I do.

Well, you guys can consider yourselves lucky. 😁
Some years ago I won a VLB I/O Controller for $2 + shipping (another $5 or so). The seller did send it to me, but the card had been modified (intentional short - which was not present on the eBay pics).
As you can imagine, I did not think to thoroughly check it before inserting the controller in the VLB slot, so I destroyed a Biostar MB1433 motherboard and the Intel 486DX2-66 CPU.
Suffice to say that there was not much that eBay could do about it (I did get my $7 back - yey! 🤣 ).

At least I delidded the CPU and got some nice pics out of it (I think the small round black spots that are visible in the second pic are probably caused by the short):