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First post, by dormcat

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A friend of mine knew that I was into retro computing and gave me an old (to be exact, 17 years) Asus N6200GE/TD/128M/A but he didn't know if it worked or not. I put it on my Asus A7V133-C MB (with an universal AGP Pro 4X slot) as it was my least used system and its existing video card was a GeForce FX 5600 XT also from Asus (V9560XT/TD/N/128M/A) so no need to install driver for it (my other two AGP builds have ATI cards).

Turned the power on, no signal on screen, Award/Phoenix BIOS gave me one long and three short beeps: nonexistent or faulty video card. So I cut the power, took it out, and put V9560XT back in.

Then the system wouldn't start. 😭

The on-board power LED is lit, but cooling fans and HDD motor wouldn't budge. The MB couldn't accept 24-pin ATX connector due to a stupid capacitor location so I had to test its PSU on another MB and it worked. I removed all unnecessary connections: disk drives, expansion cards, RAM strips, and even the power button, yet nothing helped (sigh).

Reluctantly, I tested that N6200GE on my only AGP 8X MB (Asus K8V-MX). POST gave no error, and the HDD went all the way into Win98SE, but there was no video signal output either.

The MB has no visible damage (capacitors, MOSFET, IC) and all connectors are shiny so I'd be very reluctant to declare it dead. Would baking at 180°C for 10 minutes help?

Reply 1 of 7, by Joseph_Joestar

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Try to clear the CMOS before attempting anything else.

Disconnect the PSU, take out the coin cell battery, press the Power button on the case to discharge any leftover energy and then set the clear CMOS jumper to the relevant position. Wait about a minute then set the jumper back, put the battery back in, reconnect the PSU and then try booting the system up again.

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Reply 2 of 7, by dormcat

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-03-09, 20:17:

Try to clear the CMOS before attempting anything else.

Disconnect the PSU, take out the coin cell battery, press the Power button on the case to discharge any leftover energy and then set the clear CMOS jumper to the relevant position. Wait about a minute then set the jumper back, put the battery back in, reconnect the PSU and then try booting the system up again.

Thanks for the suggestion, but already been there and done that; no effect.

Reply 3 of 7, by Repo Man11

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A7v and A7V 133 motherboards are both notorious for suddenly stopping POSTing - do a Google search and you'll find many examples of people asking for help with this issue. Sometimes it takes strange things to get them to come back to life. I'd try a 100 MHz FSB Athlon or Duron if you have one, preferably with a PCI video card.

Back in 2006 I was given one of these and I used it to build a system I gave to a relative. At some point (after working normally for a while) it didn't want to POST and I remember nearly giving up on it out of frustration before I finally tried something ( I can't remember what) and it began working normally again.

After watching many YouTube videos about older computer hardware, YouTube began recommending videos about trains - are they trying to tell me something?

Reply 4 of 7, by snufkin

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dormcat wrote on 2022-03-09, 20:05:

The on-board power LED is lit, but cooling fans and HDD motor wouldn't budge.

That sounds odd, don't hard drives spin up as soon as 12V is applied? Are the cooling fans on motherboard headers, or plugged directly to the PSU? Can you measure what the 12V line is on a molex connector?

Reply 6 of 7, by dormcat

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snufkin wrote on 2022-03-09, 21:28:

That sounds odd, don't hard drives spin up as soon as 12V is applied? Are the cooling fans on motherboard headers, or plugged directly to the PSU? Can you measure what the 12V line is on a molex connector?

A PSU doesn't just output 12V when plugged in or switched on by its own; it requires a shorted signal from MB, specifically, the green PS_ON# wire shorted with a ground (black) wire. I've never shorted the green PS_ON# wire with a ground wire directly before so I'm a bit hesitant to do so; I connected the PSU to another MB and it worked fine so the problem should be on the A7V133-C.

Cooling fans were on MB headers so I connected another working one to a Molex; not spinning. Either there's something wrong between the power switch pins and the PS_ON# wire, or the problem is even deeper and bigger. 🙄

Reply 7 of 7, by snufkin

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dormcat wrote on 2022-03-11, 10:00:
snufkin wrote on 2022-03-09, 21:28:

That sounds odd, don't hard drives spin up as soon as 12V is applied? Are the cooling fans on motherboard headers, or plugged directly to the PSU? Can you measure what the 12V line is on a molex connector?

A PSU doesn't just output 12V when plugged in or switched on by its own; it requires a shorted signal from MB, specifically, the green PS_ON# wire shorted with a ground (black) wire. I've never shorted the green PS_ON# wire with a ground wire directly before so I'm a bit hesitant to do so; I connected the PSU to another MB and it worked fine so the problem should be on the A7V133-C.

Cooling fans were on MB headers so I connected another working one to a Molex; not spinning. Either there's something wrong between the power switch pins and the PS_ON# wire, or the problem is even deeper and bigger. 🙄

Ah, I was assuming that the on board power LED would be powered either directly from +5V or from a power good type signal, so would only light up if the PSU was fully on, which would be odd if the HDD didn't then spin up. If the PSU isn't starting up, but the LED is on, then it must be powered from +5SB.