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Athlon x2 on A8V Deluxe.

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First post, by balthazor4ever

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I have almost finished rebuilding the first computer I bought on my own. The specs so far:
Mainboard: a8v deluxe rev 2.0
Cpu: Athlon 64 x2 3800+ E6
Memory: 4*1gb ddr 400
Sound card: sound blaster audigy 2 value (with eax4 hardware acceleration)
Hdd: 2* 80gb ide drives
Misc: ageia physx card, 1* dvd recorder 1* floppy drive.
OS: windows xp sp3
Of course the gpu is missing. Back then i sold my radeon 9800pro to get a radeon 2600 pro agp (which in turn was sold to get a radeon 3870 pcie).
Now I have a radeon 4650 ddr2 agp and a geforce 6800gt gddr2 agp.
The geforce was sold to me as faulty ( artifacts in 3d mode) for just 20euros but with a bit of cleaning and some arctic mx4 it works like new. I'd love to use the geforce to be period correct, but wouldn't the 4650 be more powerful in later games? I'd love to try oblivion sometime as I've never really played it. 😞
I would also appreciate it if anyone could suggest which driver versions would be better for both the via k8t800pro and the gpu.
On a side note i installed via hyperion 5.24 but when using sdi to see if there are newer drivers, it seems like the installed drivers are generic microsoft released ones and not the via i though i installed.

Reply 1 of 3, by Tetrium

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Back when I upgraded the graphics card of my Barton 3200+ from GF7600GS to a HD4670 (somewhat comparable to your 2 cards), I basically didn't notice any significant speed increase.
I'm guessing your CPU being dual core won't matter with many games and the IPC shouldn't be too far off (your 2GHz for one core to the 2.2GHz of my barton, even though your CPU is likely faster per core).

Personally I'd probably try the GF 6800GT first. This way, by using that card, you can retrogame and actually test the card's functionality at the same time 🙂
I don't remember what drivers I used for my 7600GS, but it was probably the one that came with the disk. I'd need to dig it out to check what exact driver version I used but I'd say it's likely one of the earlier ones (I don't tend to upgrade something that's already working fine, including drivers).

If you don't like the GF 6800GT for some reason, you can always upgrade to your HD4650. Would actually be interesting to see if you would see any benefit to such an upgrade. I think my AXP 3200+ was just too slow to benefit from a HD46X0.

Ftr I was using XP SP2 for most of the time, but probably upgraded to SP3 when it came out.

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Reply 2 of 3, by dionb

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Tetrium wrote on 2022-04-07, 12:03:

Back when I upgraded the graphics card of my Barton 3200+ from GF7600GS to a HD4670 (somewhat comparable to your 2 cards), I basically didn't notice any significant speed increase.
I'm guessing your CPU being dual core won't matter with many games and the IPC shouldn't be too far off (your 2GHz for one core to the 2.2GHz of my barton, even though your CPU is likely faster per core).

Not very likely.

The similarity ends with the clock speed. An Athlon64 has integrated memory controller and much higher IPC. I can't find any direct comparison between the X2 3800+ and the XP 3200+ because of the big age difference, but reviews of the Athlon64 3200+ (basically single-core equivalent of the x2 3800+) are clear enough:

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Even ignoring the second core, that X2 3800+ is likely to do 50% better in CPU-limited applications. OP is running XP, so the second core will be used - even if a game is single-threaded, background OS stuff will go onto the other core, improving performance a bit there too.

Reply 3 of 3, by Tetrium

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dionb wrote on 2022-04-07, 13:25:
Not very likely. […]
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Tetrium wrote on 2022-04-07, 12:03:

Back when I upgraded the graphics card of my Barton 3200+ from GF7600GS to a HD4670 (somewhat comparable to your 2 cards), I basically didn't notice any significant speed increase.
I'm guessing your CPU being dual core won't matter with many games and the IPC shouldn't be too far off (your 2GHz for one core to the 2.2GHz of my barton, even though your CPU is likely faster per core).

Not very likely.

The similarity ends with the clock speed. An Athlon64 has integrated memory controller and much higher IPC. I can't find any direct comparison between the X2 3800+ and the XP 3200+ because of the big age difference, but reviews of the Athlon64 3200+ (basically single-core equivalent of the x2 3800+) are clear enough:

5064.png

Even ignoring the second core, that X2 3800+ is likely to do 50% better in CPU-limited applications. OP is running XP, so the second core will be used - even if a game is single-threaded, background OS stuff will go onto the other core, improving performance a bit there too.

I used both Barton @2.2GHz and Athlon64 @2.2GHz and I found the A64 to be roughly 25% faster.
Exact differences will depend on the software used.
When gaming on rigs of this era I find it kinda prudent to minimize the use of software running in the background anyway.

Overall I don't think A64 was 50% faster than a Barton clock for clock. Unless a certain program needed SSE2 or something.

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