mr.cat wrote on 2021-08-08, 22:36:
SF poses a special challenge to Wine too, because there just isn't any way to imitate a ring0 driver in Wine. Iow, these titles won't work at all.
dr_st wrote on 2021-08-09, 09:32:
So I guess Safedisc is a problem too?
Both of those drivers work in wine, which is supposed to handle "ring 0" too.
People mix up the actual limitation of not being able to support device drivers for hardware (which would require access to the real kernel), with purely "software" ones.
p.s. wine is not an emulator
kjliew wrote on 2021-08-09, 20:29:
I believe all forms of sophisticated disc based DRM schemes (SafeDisc/SecureROM/StarForce etc.) will have troubles with Wine. Unless they were replaced with online-based DRM or completely alleviated by later patches/re-releases or cracked non-legitimately by underworld fans/hackers, there is no way to play them otherwise. StarForce claimed to be "un-crack-able" compared to SafeDisc/SecureROM
Securom works too, and it doesn't even employ drivers. In fact plenty of games also use its online-based version.
And I'm not sure why "claims" matter anything. Every DRM provider has that tagline in their brochures.
Just because starforce was famous to last a good deal of time, it doesn't mean it's invulnerable.
willow wrote on 2021-08-16, 12:04:
Safedisc doesn't worked in windows 10 but no cblue screen at win 10 launch like with starforce.
Safedisc doesn't work in the sense that since XP microsoft was shipping the driver with the OS, and with 10 they removed it.
Something missing cannot harm other parts of the system.
Btw the thing can be forced back with some hoops.