ThinkpadIL wrote on 2022-08-30, 10:55:
rkurbatov wrote on 2022-08-30, 09:32:
Radical Vision wrote on 2022-08-29, 20:03:
Some ppl really suck at selling things, they want big money, but they dont even bother to test even to BIOS FK them...
Yeah, some prices are really crazy. Like it's not a precious thing, it's just piece of junk you don't need anyway and can't use anyway. I just want to play with it a little to have my nostalgic feelings. It's old, fragile, often working badly and requires lot of attention, restoration, some additional stuff.
I see somebody selling Pentium 60 or 66 desktop for something like $7000. I suppose, that's that one, with an FDIV bug. Only CPU has some value. Everything else is in unknown condition, not tested, no guarantee. Man, you won't find a buyer on such demands.
You can't argue with Adam Smith's invisible hand. If there is at least one crazy man who is ready to pay those $7000, then that is the market price of this piece of junk.
Well is free market, everyone does something, i never use ebay as my source of getting stuff.. Local AD sites are better for me, also when i find some expensive rare such as GEforce 6800 Ultra AGP, Voodoo V AGP, NV1, IBM Model M and others it is even more rewarding for me, and the feel is even better, then going like jackass and dumping ALOT of money for the stuff i need, is not hard, also i miss the joy from the hunt, as on local AD sites, when i discover something valuable for 5-10 euros, and the seller does not have a clue, what he is selling, the joy is in times more, that hunt is also, a race between other collectors, as ofc they are trying to get cheap stuff as well, some to sell them on ebay, others to add them to their collection.. So for me local hunt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebay....
ThinkpadIL wrote on 2022-08-30, 11:12:
rkurbatov wrote on 2022-08-30, 11:06:
ThinkpadIL wrote on 2022-08-30, 10:55:
You can't argue with Adam Smith's invisible hand. If there is at least one crazy man who is ready to pay those $7000, then that is the market price of this piece of junk.
Surely there is not 😀 It's a type of arrogant dumb (usually pretty old) people thinking they won a lottery.
Well, it's hard to call old man dumb if he has enough money to be able to afford himself throughing away $7000 on some piece of junk.
I think someone that have tons of money, will like to be smart and find another way/ place where to buy whatever he want, instead of dumping tons of money on ebay, on some scalper... One thing i can see myself even doing is a "trade", so i can buy something that cost ALOT from ebay, like GUS card, Quantum 3D card, GEforce 5800U and others. I will just buy some of these very expensive, and then i will sell expensive some of my own stuff ( i have bunch of brand new cards such as NV1 and KYRO II Hercules), and by doing that i will nagte the effect of paying anything... As i got the parts for cheap..
rkurbatov wrote on 2022-08-30, 12:12:I mean the one who finds an old PC somewhere and thinks he can sell it for such a huge price even without checking just because […]
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I mean the one who finds an old PC somewhere and thinks he can sell it for such a huge price even without checking just because he heard something about strange geeks paying the fortune for old junk.
I've seen single floppies (untested for sure) for $10, CPUs for $100 and so on.
There are collectioners or old junkers that raise prices but at least they understand what they are selling and why it costs so much.
Oh, I don't even mention gold-hunters that destroyed buckets of chips 🙁
Well i dont know what is worse, the ebay scalpers, or the idiot srappers with the hammers... Prob the idiot gold hunters, since they destroy stuff that work too, and melting an 3Dfx card, or some other rare and exotic piece of HW history, should be punished by law (ofc i am not talking about working scrap, i am talking only for 3Dfx class of parts, like high end mobos, specials, exotics ect..)
Nexxen wrote on 2022-08-30, 12:35:
I agree.
I've seen auctions on ebay with the usual untested starting at 95% the price for a full working machine. Sometimes people don't understand the world collectors live in.
Same for coins and banknotes, books....
I hate when scumbags sell UNtested stuff, for ALOT of money, it pisses me even more, that there are idiots that are willing to pay for this kind of BS.. It happens even here locally, sure spending 50 euros for UNtested part is not too much money, but still some times when i try to negotiate normal price with the seller, and explain to him that, when something is UNtested the price, he is looking for is the price of scrap, so one card will cost as much as 5-7 euros, not with a fucking zero behind these numbers.. But since some fuckers are in a hurry they do message the seller with offer, or directly buying the stuff, no matter it may be dead... When this happens i hope the thing to be broken, or very dead, so the rush buyier to suck it, as he deserves that.
Well any hobby is the same, no matter if is retro computer HW, consoles, books, coins, swiss/ japan watches, cars or whatever... Many just try their luck, to cash in on some stuff that may be rare and good, but in poor condition, and that is arrogant, nasty and they deserve 15% of the total price, since they did NOT take their time to recover the damn thing, and make it alot better...
ThinkpadIL wrote on 2022-08-30, 16:27:
rkurbatov wrote on 2022-08-30, 16:19:
ThinkpadIL wrote on 2022-08-30, 14:56:
And in general, I don't think it is wise to think that those who rise the prices are dumber than you.
I still see the difference between: "I want $100 for this rare processor because I see demand" and "I want $7000 for this junk, because I've heard some stupid idiots call it retro".
No one forces you to pay $7000. Also no one forbids you to contact the seller and to explain him that $7000 is not a realistic price and that a fair price is $100. I did it several times. Sometimes it works and sellers lower the price significantly. But if they refuse, it's their right to keep the price high. And your right is not to buy it. And other guy's right is to buy it cause he wants it badly and has enough money. That's how it works.
Yes i do that all the time, some times the seller, will lower the price, other times they will not. When i have pictures of stuff that i got before for very small amounts, or even for free, i use to upload them to show the seller, most of the times this works.. Or if that does not work i just show my whole collection in order to proof, that i am collector, not a scrapper. About "wanted badly, and payed ALOT" i learned that patience is a great virtue, over time i got soooo many great stuff, and i did pay nothing for them, since i sold many others that i did not need, or was lower class parts, or was not in mint condition, so i stopped long time ago to care, and not to rush when buying something. Ofc very rare and expensive stuff like Voodoo V, GUS and special keyboards like NorthGate Omnikey, Model F AT, Zenith and others, are stuff that i may rush a bit on them.. But usually i play it cool, no need to bankrupt, cuz some pleb did find a great piece of HW in some dumpster...
Mah systems retro, old, newer (Radical stuff)
W3680 4.5/ GA-x58 UD7/ R9 280x
K7 2.6/ NF7-S/ HD3850
IBM x2 P3 933/ GA-6VXD7/ Voodoo V 5.5K
Cmq P2 450/ GA-BX2000/ V2 SLI
IBM PC365
Cmq DeskPRO 486/33
IBM PS/2 Model 56
SPS IntelleXT 8088
