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First post, by tsalat

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Hi Everyone,

I just got lucky and have another old piece of history at home. This time it was a full tower computer with everything including the HDD and the VGA, some Trident 512kB. The print on the board is referring to this type: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/powertech-mb453 - it is pity that again, no manual is present 🙁. Anyway, after starting the PC, the PC booted up, of course, bad battery, etc... - although the NiCd battery was old it didn't leak and overall, the appearance of the board is great.

Aynway, after passing the boot screen the system tried to boot up the HDD, MSDOS, however froze, every time. I thought at first that maybe the HDD is bad or the I/O but the same happened with the FDD. Botting from FDD caused the system boot to DOS but after executing just the dir command, it frooze.

Well, I tried to swap the VGA to another one and it botted up. However, the original VGA is working fine in another board - thats suspicious, heh. So, I am trying to figure out why it is happening and why the former, original VGA, is not working anymore within the board.

  • I have cleaned the mobo and every chip I could take out, it was not dirty but just in case. No change.
  • I have tried different if not all ISA slots, no change and same behaviour.
  • I am not sure about one jumper setting, see enclosed, I have no idea how to set up the two jumpers if my CPU is DX2 80 -JP17/16, any idea?

I am basically out of options on what to try. One idea I had was to disable the cache, on the board, or lower it down, but I am not sure if it will have any impact on the VGA.
I am not sure what component could have an impact on the VGA, any idea what to look up?

I could leave the PC as it is but it is bothering me, heh. I would really want to find the root cause since it can mean some other issues I do not see now.

thx for any advice, Tomas

Last edited by tsalat on 2022-11-11, 18:13. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 3, by tsalat

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Hi,

a small update, I have swapped another CPU to the board, i486SX 25MHz and this CPU works with both VGA I have tested before and with the same that froze before.
Considering the board, the 25MHz seems to be enough for it 😀. I am still puzzled about J16-J17 and I hope someone will address this.

I took the Cyrix DX2 80 to another board, with the i486SX 25MHz. Luckily, for this board I have found a nice reference: here https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/soyo-s … -025l#downloads. According to the manual, the board supports Cyrix CPUs although not the DX2 80. I have set all jumpers according to the manual and the system booted up, no issue here. Using "cachechk" I got an error: divide by zero, not sure what this means. And in Speedsys, the test shows only L1 cache with a value of 256kB - what? I saw another post here with the same readings and thus I am not sure if the board or speedsys are having problem with this - in the old board the L1 and L2 cacher were shown correctly.

The system however seems to work fine, I have tried some benchmarks, some games, all was running nice and smooth. Should I keep my head busy with the L2 cache missing and L1 cache with a value of 256kB?

thank you, Tomas

Reply 2 of 3, by tsalat

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Hi,

just to end this thread. I have changed the Cyrix DX-80 for an i486 DX2 66 and the cache works - shows in SpeedSys.
I will keep the Cyrix CPU in a bag if something 😀

thx, tomas

Reply 3 of 3, by rasz_pl

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CYRIX.jpg shows L1 working fine, Speedsys simply doesnt have code to detect Cyrix, but if you paste results it will most likely show higher speed in first 8KB

https://github.com/raszpl/sigrok-disk FM/MFM/RLL decoder
https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module (AT&T Globalyst)
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 ram board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad