Decided to check Carmageddon. Originally it didn't come with Glide support out of the box, it debuted with Splat Pack. For the original release, a patch came to include Glide support afterwards.
Although the game has a Windows version, that one only uses DirectDraw for rendering.
I've installed:
The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard - During setup, you can choose Software (no acceleration) or 3dfx (Glide). There are two executables: Rg.exe and Rgfx.exe - No DirectX options.
Sentinel Returns - There are 2 DLL option calls when the game executes - one is H3DeviceSoftware8Bit.dll and the other is H3Device3Dfx.dll. When DirectX is completely disabled, the game goes haywire (I'm guessing CPU is too fast), but it works. With DirectDraw enabled and Direct3D disabled, the game runs fine as does Glide - No Direct3D.
Asghan: The Dragon Slayer - Supports Glide, Software, and Direct3D in three separate EXE's. If Direct3D is disabled and the D3D executable is run, the game complains of no hardware acceleration - This game can be removed from the list.
I'm pretty sure Test Drive 4 only has glide and software mode support. Don't think there are any other patches.
Meatball wrote on 2022-12-12, 21:44:Sentinel Returns - There are 2 DLL option calls when the game executes - one is H3DeviceSoftware8Bit.dll and the other is H3Device3Dfx.dll. When DirectX is completely disabled, the game goes haywire (I'm guessing CPU is too fast), but it works. With DirectDraw enabled and Direct3D disabled, the game runs fine as does Glide - No Direct3D.
I'm a bit confused about this one. Does it have a Direct3D mode which doesn't work (leaving only Glide) or is there no Direct3D support at all?
Thanks everyone!
Added Carmageddon, Dreams to Reality, Redguard and Test Drive 4 to the confirmed list.
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-12, 23:43:Meatball wrote on 2022-12-12, 21:44:Sentinel Returns - There are 2 DLL option calls when the game executes - one is H3DeviceSoftware8Bit.dll and the other is H3Device3Dfx.dll. When DirectX is completely disabled, the game goes haywire (I'm guessing CPU is too fast), but it works. With DirectDraw enabled and Direct3D disabled, the game runs fine as does Glide - No Direct3D.
I'm a bit confused about this one. Does it have a Direct3D mode which doesn't work (leaving only Glide) or is there no Direct3D support at all?
I’m sorry about the muddy message.
No Direct3D hardware acceleration is available. DirectDraw, Software, and Glide only.
Thanks!
Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 02:14:I’m sorry about the muddy message.
No Direct3D hardware acceleration is available. DirectDraw, Software, and Glide only.
Thanks!
Added, cheers!
You mentioned turning off Direct3D. I didn't get that the first time, but I assume you meant that you disabled Direct3D acceleration via dxdiag.exe in order to double check if it was used by the game? If so, that's some very thorough testing, but I don't think you need to go that far, if a game specifically states that it's using Glide. 😀 Usually, it's enough to see the 3DFX logo spin up before rendering occurs, if that option is enabled in the drivers of course.
Winglide + GDI/ddraw:
Winglide + GDI/ddraw + CIF/MSI/S3D/RRedline/SGL:
Not sure:
My "others API" list for winglide games is currently on the "P" letter (216/353 titles, 61.19%).
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Gamecollector wrote on 2022-12-13, 08:00:Centipede.
I've tested this game a while ago, and it has an official patch which adds Direct3D support. I think I got it from Fileplanet.
Gamecollector wrote on 2022-12-13, 08:00:Grand Prix Legends. The OGL renderer is unofficial.
But Rendition support is official.
Gamecollector wrote on 2022-12-13, 08:00:Hardcore 4x4.
Also had PowerVR support so not exclusive
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-13, 05:21:Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 02:14:I’m sorry about the muddy message.
No Direct3D hardware acceleration is available. DirectDraw, Software, and Glide only.
Thanks!
Added, cheers!
You mentioned turning off Direct3D. I didn't get that the first time, but I assume you meant that you disabled Direct3D acceleration via dxdiag.exe in order to double check if it was used by the game? If so, that's some very thorough testing, but I don't think you need to go that far, if a game specifically states that it's using Glide. 😀 Usually, it's enough to see the 3DFX logo spin up before rendering occurs, if that option is enabled in the drivers of course.
I'm actually not playing the games at all in Glide!, haha. If I see the 3dfx EXE or related, that's enough for me. But for DirectX, I need to be sure Direct3D is not being used, and I'm doing my best to ensure you don't receive incorrect information.
Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 13:48:I'm actually not playing the games at all in Glide!, haha. If I see the 3dfx EXE or related, that's enough for me. But for DirectX, I need to be sure Direct3D is not being used, and I'm doing my best to ensure you don't receive incorrect information.
I see. Well, no worries, that approach works fine for the purposes of identifying Glide only games. If the game advertises Glide support and doesn't run with 3D acceleration on non-3DFX hardware, then that's a pretty decent indicator that it's primarily focused on Glide.
Just make sure to check the game's documentation (readme files, manual, technical support FAQ etc.) to see if any other APIs are mentioned. Also, you might want to check places like www.patches-scrolls.de for any potential updates which may add support for other renderers.
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-13, 14:07:Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 13:48:I'm actually not playing the games at all in Glide!, haha. If I see the 3dfx EXE or related, that's enough for me. But for DirectX, I need to be sure Direct3D is not being used, and I'm doing my best to ensure you don't receive incorrect information.
I see. Well, no worries, that approach works fine for the purposes of identifying Glide only games. If the game advertises Glide support and doesn't run with 3D acceleration on non-3DFX hardware, then that's a pretty decent indicator that it's primarily focused on Glide.
Just make sure to check the game's documentation (readme files, manual, technical support FAQ etc.) to see if any other APIs are mentioned. Also, you might want to check places like www.patches-scrolls.de for any potential updates which may add support for other renderers.
Yep, I'm already checking documentation and both PCGamingWiki and Patch Scrolls (old and new sites). I'm starting from the premise the game supports more than Glide and eliminating APIs as I go forward, which usually doesn't take long. Direct3D is the only step taking some time. Besides, I get to explore games I haven't played. I've added a few to the list I will buy (like Ignition, Nuclear Strike, and ManxTT Superbike, for example).
Looks like Hardcore 4x4 not shows the PowerVR choice in the "screen resolution" menu if a compatible hardware was't detected. So this API was missed in my list. *Censored*.
@Putas and @leileilol: tnx.
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Jane's Longbow Gold has a DirectDraw version
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BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2022-12-13, 17:19:Jane's Longbow Gold has a DirectDraw version
That's a 2D API so it's fine.
Read the first post to see what kind of Glide exclusivity we're looking for.
I've installed:
Montezuma's Return - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine (except CPU too fast).
Fatal Abyss - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine.
Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 17:41:I've installed:
Montezuma's Return - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine (except CPU too fast).
Fatal Abyss - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine.
Added, cheers!
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-13, 17:51:Meatball wrote on 2022-12-13, 17:41:I've installed:
Montezuma's Return - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine (except CPU too fast).
Fatal Abyss - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine.Added, cheers!
One more!
Test Drive: Off-Road 2 - Glide only. DirectX can be completely disabled, and the non-hardware accelerated version runs fine. You can choose to install the 3dfx (enhanced) or standard (software) version during setup.
