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First post, by Alistar1776

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1. Whats "AGP Aperture" mean in bios? I assume its how much memory the card installed has.
2. Win98SE stability patches? Im currently running an Nvidia Riva TNT2 gpu with the system, ill explain in a moment, and occasionally the system crashes trying to launch the gpu drivers ive used before... i dont get it.
3. I did get a Geforce FX 5600 128mb card, but its corrupt? i cant share the vid, but upon boot when it shows the card, it says, and i quote:
"GeBkrca FX 1600 BiKS
Versioj 4.31.20*52*@A
Copyricht (C) 1996)2003 NVI@IA Corp*
128*0MB RAI"

then black screen and thats it.... Any better places to buy retro pc cards?

Reply 1 of 10, by smtkr

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"AGP allows cards to retrieve textures from system RAM (AGP Texturing). It's very slow and would result in slideshow rendering, but it can be done. Consider AGP Texturing as overflow video RAM; AGP Aperture controls how much system RAM it is allowed to use. The graphics card's faster onboard RAM is normally used for textures, so most users will not need to utilize AGP Texturing. Set the AGP Aperture to 64MB or 128MB and don't expect any performance difference at all from tweaking it, unless you use absolutely massive textures. You'd know if you dealt with such large textures, and games don't. This setting will not alter your FPS or 3DMark score."

https://archive.arstechnica.com/guide/buildin … s/m-bios-3.html

Reply 2 of 10, by Alistar1776

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smtkr wrote on 2022-12-28, 03:07:

"AGP allows cards to retrieve textures from system RAM (AGP Texturing). It's very slow and would result in slideshow rendering, but it can be done. Consider AGP Texturing as overflow video RAM; AGP Aperture controls how much system RAM it is allowed to use. The graphics card's faster onboard RAM is normally used for textures, so most users will not need to utilize AGP Texturing. Set the AGP Aperture to 64MB or 128MB and don't expect any performance difference at all from tweaking it, unless you use absolutely massive textures. You'd know if you dealt with such large textures, and games don't. This setting will not alter your FPS or 3DMark score."

https://archive.arstechnica.com/guide/buildin … s/m-bios-3.html

oh, ok, thank you.

Reply 3 of 10, by Repo Man11

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What motherboard? Do you have another AGP card that you can try? Do you have another motherboard that you can try the 5600 in? Have you tried cleaning the video card's contacts with alcohol? Does the card pass a visual inspection of the capacitors?

After watching many YouTube videos about older computer hardware, YouTube began recommending videos about trains - are they trying to tell me something?

Reply 4 of 10, by Alistar1776

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-12-28, 04:22:

What motherboard? Do you have another AGP card that you can try? Do you have another motherboard that you can try the 5600 in? Have you tried cleaning the video card's contacts with alcohol? Does the card pass a visual inspection of the capacitors?

board is a gigabyte ga-6vxe7+, the only other agp card available to try is my aforementioned Nvidia Riva TNT 2 which works fine. I did try the 5600 in another board, same result. I cleaned the card before even installing it into the system. and the caps look brand new, possible recap.

edit: the Riva TNT2 is having driver issues, cant seem to get them installed right or something, so my machine is stuck at the basic 16 color, 640x480, any other settings and windows will not launch.

Reply 5 of 10, by konc

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I suggest doing a clean install just to test the cards. Even on a different HDD temporarily if you don't want to give up your current setup.

Reply 6 of 10, by nd22

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That geforce is most probably dying or - small chance - it's a fake card. In theory you should have 1 GOOD system for testing AGP cards with an Intel chipset like 440BX for testing early cards and 865 for late AGP cards; as an alternative a 815 based motherboard would take all video cards except those using bridge chips such as Radeon X1950 pro. VIA chipsets are known to have strange quirks!
What is your specs exactly? What PSU are you using?

Reply 7 of 10, by Alistar1776

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nd22 wrote on 2022-12-28, 09:24:

That geforce is most probably dying or - small chance - it's a fake card. In theory you should have 1 GOOD system for testing AGP cards with an Intel chipset like 440BX for testing early cards and 865 for late AGP cards; as an alternative a 815 based motherboard would take all video cards except those using bridge chips such as Radeon X1950 pro. VIA chipsets are known to have strange quirks!
What is your specs exactly? What PSU are you using?

psu is a modern 500W 80+ bronze from EVGA, cpu is a Coppermine PIII at 930mhz, its running 512mb memory, Sound Blaster Live! sound card. Board is the Gigabyte GA-6VXE7+, does have a VIA chipset.

Reply 8 of 10, by Alistar1776

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konc wrote on 2022-12-28, 08:36:

I suggest doing a clean install just to test the cards. Even on a different HDD temporarily if you don't want to give up your current setup.

just did a fresh install, its a new build.

Reply 9 of 10, by Alistar1776

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Ok, I installed chipset drivers, which allowed me to install the graphics drivers, but now when i try to boot Windows normally it gives me "Windows Protection Error, please restart your computer" and just trying to navigate around windows when I do make it to desktop, i guess file explorer crashes and closes the "My Computer" window.... grr

Update on this: Reinstalled the OS in some way it not only kept everything on the disk, as well as installed drivers, but i suppose its fixed whatever issues was happening with it... cause now it all works great, so far

Reply 10 of 10, by Alistar1776

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For context, the Riva TNT 2 is working, but the FX 5600 is not still... Pulled the cooler, and it does confirm its an FX 5600 from Geforce. Do these older cards run a vbios? if so, maybe thats corrupt?