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Reply 580 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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Sounds good to me then as I won't be overclocking. Does anyone here have the combo of this board and this cpu?
Btw - ran the test for 75 mins and all clear

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Reply 581 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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I have taken the plunge and updated the bios! All looking good so far after resetting and going back into XP. 3.25gb DDR2 showing and i'll get around to fitting my E7600 over the weekend.
I have an Nvidia Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample/Special Edition/GoesLikeHell AGP card on route to pit against my AGP HD 3850..

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Reply 582 of 697, by The Serpent Rider

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Interesting, I though they did not use cheap aluminium coolers for 7800GS+ cards.

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Reply 583 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-09-09, 19:58:

Interesting, I though they did not use cheap aluminium coolers for 7800GS+ cards.

I'll interrogate it when it arrives. And hopefully works.. in theory this might be the third gen 7800gs which uses a 7900 chip on a bridge. If internet pages I've found can be believed that is. Should arrive possibly Tuesday ish

Reply 584 of 697, by The Serpent Rider

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Judging by amount of marketing bullshit on the box, that card was released after 8xxx series, so that's G71. Probably in 20/7 configuration.

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Reply 585 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-09-10, 12:28:

Judging by amount of marketing bullshit on the box, that card was released after 8xxx series, so that's G71. Probably in 20/7 configuration.

That's my thought too. Either https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce … pipes-agp.c3731 or https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce … 4pipes-agp.c166
I'll know more once I run GPU-Z. Any other utilities to suggest for interrogation?

Either way it should be a good Nvidia card for pitting against the 3850

Reply 586 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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Success!!

After much wringing of hands after trying this with my last ASROCK board, I did the bios update and have now successfully installed the E7600 CPU!

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Thanks to all suggestions and help!

Reply 587 of 697, by RETROKOMODO

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-09-10, 12:28:

Judging by amount of marketing bullshit on the box, that card was released after 8xxx series, so that's G71. Probably in 20/7 configuration.

It turned up! New toy - AGP GAINWARD BLISS 7800 GS+ Golden Sample GoesLikeHell edition. Possibly.

Reply 589 of 697, by McM4r

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RETROKOMODO wrote on 2022-09-14, 13:57:
The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-09-10, 12:28:

Judging by amount of marketing bullshit on the box, that card was released after 8xxx series, so that's G71. Probably in 20/7 configuration.

It turned up! New toy - AGP GAINWARD BLISS 7800 GS+ Golden Sample GoesLikeHell edition. Possibly.

Good luck in your hd4670 agp search 😀 remember to pick in priority the H467Q1GHDAP version (faster one)

Reply 591 of 697, by Legacysystem

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I'm glad to be here with diehard retro system fans. 😁

I want to talk about 775Dual-VSTA Motherboard. With 3.19a unofficial bios, it seems completely support 1066 MHz FSB Core 2 Quad Kentsfield CPU's. It running my Q6600 perfectly! Amazing difference between previous awkward dual core CPU's. (Sorry for Core 2 Duo! 😁) With my HD 3850 AGP and HD 4670 AGP video cards, with 3 GB RAM (I 'll replace 2 GB to 1 GB, upgrade it 4 GB from 3 GB. 3.19a BIOS also supports more than 2 GB DDR2 667 MHz fine.) everything seems OK.

I'll try below and post my experience afterwards.

Core 2 Quad Q6600 (Revision G0, mine is B3 revision and works perfectly!) (Most curious test for me!)
Core 2 Quad Q8400 (Yorkfield 45nm 4-Core CPU) (Probably it will not work but I want to give it a shot.)
5 GB, 6 GB and 8 GB DDR2-667 MHz Memory (Probably it will not work but I want to give it a shot.)

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Ancient system: Intel D865GLC + P4-EE (SL7CH Gallatin) + HD 4670 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 256 GB Corsair Neutron SSD + 3 * 320 GB IDE PATA WD HDD

Retro system 2: ASRock ConRoe865PE + Q6600 (SL9UM)+ HD 3850 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 120 GB Kingston SSD

Reply 592 of 697, by Legacysystem

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-07-21, 13:10:

775Dual-VSTA can support quads with modding, so best CPU you can install is QX9650. It is important to have CPU with unlocked multiplier, because these boards are very limited with FSB clock, not even standard 1066 Mhz bus is possible with quad core. Should you do it? No, because 775Dual VSTA & Core4Dual have very weak VRM and unless you're planning a full recap with VRM modding - you're better off with dual core CPU, which doesn't stress VRM much.

Best dual cores you can install are Core 2 Duo E7500/E7600 and Core 2 Extreme X6800. Dual core Xeon are mostly not worth the hassle, because E7500/E7600 are readily available for peanuts. And X6800 just allows you to squeeze more mhz with unlocked multiplier. E8xxx and Xeon counterparts are useless for that board, due to 1333 Mhz bus with low multiplier, which is not possible to achieve without heavy hardware modding.

1333 MHz Yorkfield Q8400 isn't worked in 775DUAL-VSTA. Probably QX9650 also will not work. But G0 Revision 1066 MHZ Kentsfield Q6600 worked. Thus, 775DUAL-VSTA seems maximally support 1066 Mhz Kentsfield QX6800.

Ancient system: Intel D865GLC + P4-EE (SL7CH Gallatin) + HD 4670 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 256 GB Corsair Neutron SSD + 3 * 320 GB IDE PATA WD HDD

Retro system 2: ASRock ConRoe865PE + Q6600 (SL9UM)+ HD 3850 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 120 GB Kingston SSD

Reply 593 of 697, by The Serpent Rider

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I've mentioned an overclocking forum before, where it was concluded that 775Dual VSTA and Core4Dual are identical boards, excluding PLL chips. You can swap or flash BIOS from Core4Dual. That said, you are pushing your luck on these old 4-phase VRM boards with quad-core (especially Extreme versions).

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Reply 594 of 697, by Legacysystem

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2023-01-14, 03:03:

I've mentioned an overclocking forum before, where it was concluded that 775Dual VSTA and Core4Dual are identical boards, excluding PLL chips. You can swap or flash BIOS from Core4Dual. That said, you are pushing your luck on these old 4-phase VRM boards with quad-core (especially Extreme versions).

I already changed with modded BIOS.

Without overclock, it's OK I think. There are a lot mobos electrically much weaker than but almost no issues about that. For example P4M800PRO-M2

Ancient system: Intel D865GLC + P4-EE (SL7CH Gallatin) + HD 4670 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 256 GB Corsair Neutron SSD + 3 * 320 GB IDE PATA WD HDD

Retro system 2: ASRock ConRoe865PE + Q6600 (SL9UM)+ HD 3850 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 120 GB Kingston SSD

Reply 595 of 697, by McM4r

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Hi guys today finally have in hands a 4coredual-sata2 R2.0 with original box and stuff 😁 i was wondering if any of u have a guide, advice or something in order to make a full recap job on this mobo, the caps (especially KZG ones) in the vrm area is not good quality, and maybe can i fill the vrm area to improve stability because there's room for 4 aditional caps, thoughts?

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Reply 596 of 697, by Legacysystem

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McM4r wrote on 2023-01-14, 21:54:

Hi guys today finally have in hands a 4coredual-sata2 R2.0 with original box and stuff 😁 i was wondering if any of u have a guide, advice or something in order to make a full recap job on this mobo, the caps (especially KZG ones) in the vrm area is not good quality, and maybe can i fill the vrm area to improve stability because there's room for 4 aditional caps, thoughts?

SATA2 is great for SSD! You could achieve 300 MB/s read speed with SSD. Close to newer generation SATA SSD's.

Ancient system: Intel D865GLC + P4-EE (SL7CH Gallatin) + HD 4670 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 256 GB Corsair Neutron SSD + 3 * 320 GB IDE PATA WD HDD

Retro system 2: ASRock ConRoe865PE + Q6600 (SL9UM)+ HD 3850 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 120 GB Kingston SSD

Reply 597 of 697, by makechu

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McM4r wrote on 2023-01-14, 21:54:

Hi guys today finally have in hands a 4coredual-sata2 R2.0 with original box and stuff 😁 i was wondering if any of u have a guide, advice or something in order to make a full recap job on this mobo, the caps (especially KZG ones) in the vrm area is not good quality, and maybe can i fill the vrm area to improve stability because there's room for 4 aditional caps, thoughts?

My suggestion regarding recapping; If you don't know what you are doing, don't. I quickly checked the datasheet and the 4-phase regulator used on these boards for CPU have compensation loops, meaning they are adjusted according to the ESR of the parallel capacitors and the resistances of the current paths on the board. Most likely other regulators will have compensation loops as well. Use capacitors with equivalent amount of parallel resistance / reactance only, or otherwise your voltage regulation results may not be optimal. If you change the capacitors to very low ESR ones, you have to also readjust the compensation related components.
In some cases, the regulator may be a newer one with digitally controlled compensation, where the controller can adjust its operation to be optimal automatically. However, ALWAYS check the regulator datasheet before playing with the capacitors!

Just a small addition to earlier text; Although I have recapped multiple boards myself, I generally do not recommend it unless there is a problem. In my opinion, it seems it is so much more likely to destroy the board with recapping related screw-ups than if the caps start to go bad... Even then a full recap could be unnecessary, unless dealing with a capacitor plague era board. Of course, also if you have a board that is known to have capacitors that can leak on the board, then a full recap would also be justified.

Reply 598 of 697, by Legacysystem

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Legacysystem wrote on 2023-01-12, 02:13:
I'm glad to be here with diehard retro system fans. :D […]
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I'm glad to be here with diehard retro system fans. 😁

I want to talk about 775Dual-VSTA Motherboard. With 3.19a unofficial bios, it seems completely support 1066 MHz FSB Core 2 Quad Kentsfield CPU's. It running my Q6600 perfectly! Amazing difference between previous awkward dual core CPU's. (Sorry for Core 2 Duo! 😁) With my HD 3850 AGP and HD 4670 AGP video cards, with 3 GB RAM (I 'll replace 2 GB to 1 GB, upgrade it 4 GB from 3 GB. 3.19a BIOS also supports more than 2 GB DDR2 667 MHz fine.) everything seems OK.

I'll try below and post my experience afterwards.

Core 2 Quad Q6600 (Revision G0, mine is B3 revision and works perfectly!) (Most curious test for me!)
Core 2 Quad Q8400 (Yorkfield 45nm 4-Core CPU) (Probably it will not work but I want to give it a shot.)
5 GB, 6 GB and 8 GB DDR2-667 MHz Memory (Probably it will not work but I want to give it a shot.)

Test ended. Results:

Core 2 Quad Q6600 Revision G0: Worked perfectly as its B3 revision twin. After that, I tried Q6700 (It has only revision G0) and Q6700 is worked perfectly.
Core 2 Quad Q8400: Not working in 775DUAL-VSTA. It's not BIOS issue. This motherboard not supporting 1333 FSB CPU's. Its FSB support is only limited at 1066.
5 GB, 6 GB and 8 GB memories: Motherboard and BIOS detected all of them, however I couldn't use them. I'm seeing only in system properties and CPU-Z but ONLY 3 GB of them usable. Also 4 GB ram is not necessary. I tried hard but not manage to pass 3071 MB physical memory limitation. Its probably about chipset, not software issue. Thus, I returned 2+1=3 GB DDR2 667 MHz dual memory sticks. 3 GB is tolerable but I really wanted to pass that limitation but I have nothing to do about it. Continue that great motherboard with that!

Ancient system: Intel D865GLC + P4-EE (SL7CH Gallatin) + HD 4670 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 256 GB Corsair Neutron SSD + 3 * 320 GB IDE PATA WD HDD

Retro system 2: ASRock ConRoe865PE + Q6600 (SL9UM)+ HD 3850 AGP + 4 GB DDR400 RAM + 120 GB Kingston SSD

Reply 599 of 697, by makechu

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Legacysystem wrote on 2023-01-18, 21:27:
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Test ended. Results:

Core 2 Quad Q6600 Revision G0: Worked perfectly as its B3 revision twin. After that, I tried Q6700 (It has only revision G0) and Q6700 is worked perfectly.
Core 2 Quad Q8400: Not working in 775DUAL-VSTA. It's not BIOS issue. This motherboard not supporting 1333 FSB CPU's. Its FSB support is only limited at 1066.
5 GB, 6 GB and 8 GB memories: Motherboard and BIOS detected all of them, however I couldn't use them. I'm seeing only in system properties and CPU-Z but ONLY 3 GB of them usable. Also 4 GB ram is not necessary. I tried hard but not manage to pass 3071 MB physical memory limitation. Its probably about chipset, not software issue. Thus, I returned 2+1=3 GB DDR2 667 MHz dual memory sticks. 3 GB is tolerable but I really wanted to pass that limitation but I have nothing to do about it. Continue that great motherboard with that!

Well, the FSB frequency should have nothing to do with if the CPU will work or not. I am running a 1333 MHz FSB Xeon X5460 just fine at 1066 FSB on 4CoreDual-VSTA, Rev G/A 1.00 board, like some others in this thread. The only thing is that the CPU runs at ~ 3160/1333*1066 = 2.53 GHz instead of the intended 3.16 GHz. If you have patched the bios to include all 45nm CPU microcodes, then maybe there is some power limit at play, as I guess the CPU power delivery might be weaker on 775Dual-VSTA. However, based on the pictures of the board, the regulator circuitry seems to be exactly the same...
I patched my bios with AMI bios editor (MMTool) to contain all the desktop 65nm & 45nm CPU microcodes to get the Xeon & other newer CPUs to work.