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First post, by TOMMY_THE_DOG

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If you read to the bottom, I do have some questions that I was hoping people might help me with.

I play most of my PC games on a fast K6-2 with integrated ESS-FM audio and a GeforceFX5200 PCI card. This configuration works quite well for the vast majority of DOS and Windows games that I like to play. But I keep running into issues with my LucasArts and Sierra adventure games because this system is too fast for many of them. Mostly related to speech. I love my talkies.

This is a build that will focus on performance and compatibility for point-and-click adventure video games. I am also hoping that it will do well for other games, but the priority is on the talkie games.

I got a deal on an IBM Personal Computer 300GL with the plastics in great shape (slightly yellowed, but intact).

This system features an Intel (HX?) chipset and is currently fitted with a Pentium MMX 166MHz and 32 megabytes of EDO RAM on a PC100-style SIMM. I ordered two more 32 megabyte SIMMs to occupy the two vacant slots. I may upgrade the processor to the 233MHz MMX, but I am not sure if that is necessary.

There is a Crystal 4236 FM chip onboard, which I think is one of the decent Crystal-FMs. I am hoping to be able to use this for Lemmings and such. I also have installed a Creative AWE64 Gold, which I intend to be the primary sound device for this computer.

For video, there is an integrated Matrox MGA (lol!) on board. I have installed a high-quality PCI video card using the S3 Virge GX chipset and 2MB of RAM. This computer also came with a first generation 3DFX Voodoo 4MB on PCI, which I have left in the machine and passed the S3's output into.

The power supply currently installed is a Delta 150W with 18A available on the +5V rail. I have heard that these are really good supplies, but this one has a noisy fan. I intend to install a modern Corsair ATX PSU. I recently got a deal on a used semi-modular Corsair 530W ATX PSU with 24A available on its +5V rail, so I would like to use this one!

This machine has the potential to be totally bad-ass, especially if I can get it slowed down to the speeds that Phil demonstrates with his 136-in-1 MMX project. The machine really is a beauty. I am usually a diehard CompaQ fan, but this IBM is nice.

I am currently working on getting the AWE64 and Voodoo working in DOS. Hopefully I will have a video to share next week.

My main concern is the power supply. The installed supply looks like a standard ATX supply, and I imagine that IBM machines stick to standards. So, is it safe for me to just plug my modern PSU into the daughterboard's ATX power socket? I know that Dell at some point used proprietary pinouts on their regular connectors.

Games that I MUST have working on this system include 'Gabriel Knight 1', 'Star Trek 25th', 'Space Quest' 4-6, and everything LucasArts 'Maniac Mansion' and newer. I am hoping to have decent compatibility and performance with FMV-enabled adventures, too. Such as Under a Killing Moon. I would also like to play 'TIE Fighter', 'MechWarrior 2', 'Carmageddon', and the game that I kept the Voodoo for, 'Grand Theft Auto'. Those are not deal-breakers. The Voodoo can move to the K6-2 machine if it ends up being a bad fit here.

If anyone has any advice on the PSU or sees any flaw in my plan, if you know that this will not work for some reason, please let me know!

I want to do this all from a Windows 95 system install, but I can use 98 or DOS 6.22 if necessary.

Reply 1 of 3, by Joseph_Joestar

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TOMMY_THE_DOG wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:46:

This system features an Intel (HX?) chipset and is currently fitted with a Pentium MMX 166MHz and 32 megabytes of EDO RAM on a PC100-style SIMM. I ordered two more 32 megabyte SIMMs to occupy the two vacant slots.

The Pentium MMX is very versatile thanks to the ability to toggle test registers using the SetMul utility. This allows you to slow down the CPU to 386, 486 or early Pentium levels as needed, which can provide better compatibility with older games. See this video by Phil for more details.

I may upgrade the processor to the 233MHz MMX, but I am not sure if that is necessary.

For your use case, I would keep the MMX 166 since that one doesn't trigger the "Runtime Error 200" bug which some DOS games are affected by. It is possible to patch this, but it's annoying having to wonder whether a particular game suffers from this bug or not.

There is a Crystal 4236 FM chip onboard, which I think is one of the decent Crystal-FMs. I am hoping to be able to use this for Lemmings and such. I also have installed a Creative AWE64 Gold, which I intend to be the primary sound device for this computer.

You can use both cards together, as long as you ensure that each one is assigned different resources. I'm not familiar with that Crystal card specifically, but some SBPro compatible cards (like those from ESS or OPTi) have a nice low pass filter. This makes old adventure games sound a bit nicer compared to the brickwall filter that's used on SB16 and AWE cards.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 2 of 3, by Shponglefan

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TOMMY_THE_DOG wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:46:

My main concern is the power supply. The installed supply looks like a standard ATX supply, and I imagine that IBM machines stick to standards. So, is it safe for me to just plug my modern PSU into the daughterboard's ATX power socket? I know that Dell at some point used proprietary pinouts on their regular connectors.

I would test the pinouts just to be sure.

You mention the installed supply has a noisy fan, so the other option is to just replace the fan itself.

Overall, a 166 MMX is a good CPU for mid-90s DOS gaming. Should work well for adventure games of that era, though you'll likely still need to slow it down for some of the older Sierra games (e.g. stuff from the early 90s).

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Reply 3 of 3, by Jo22

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Shponglefan wrote on 2023-01-26, 03:47:
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TOMMY_THE_DOG wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:46:

My main concern is the power supply. The installed supply looks like a standard ATX supply, and I imagine that IBM machines stick to standards. So, is it safe for me to just plug my modern PSU into the daughterboard's ATX power socket? I know that Dell at some point used proprietary pinouts on their regular connectors.

I would test the pinouts just to be sure.

You mention the installed supply has a noisy fan, so the other option is to just replace the fan itself.

Overall, a 166 MMX is a good CPU for mid-90s DOS gaming. Should work well for adventure games of that era, though you'll likely still need to slow it down for some of the older Sierra games (e.g. stuff from the early 90s).

A Pentium 166 MMX was my first Windows XP computer, back then in the early 2000s.
It wasn't the fastest perhaps, but it did well for what it was:
- 166 MHz
- 64 MB RAM
- 1,5 GB SCSI

To me, MMX was pretty new at the time.
I've seen PCs in the late 90s which I thought were fast that ran on 75, 90 or 133 MHz (non-MMX).

And unlike to my previous Pentium running 98SE, the MMX chip could install the drivers of my webcam/digital cam.
You know, these USB 1.0 pen cams with 320x240 pels..
Previously, the MMX-enabled driver would crash my Windows 98SE PC with a blue screen.

On the new Pentium MMX 166 running XP, everything now just worked.
This was amazing! My emulators now worked, too.
Both MZ700WIN and an early version of SNES9X.
They..just worked. Amazing. XP was such an upgrade over buggy 98SE! And it was pretty, too! Nolonger that moody look of concrete. Yay!

Edit: My main computer up until 2000 was my trusty old 80286-12 running MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1.
Of course, I had other PCs, too. But I just couldn't let go of the 16-Bit system.
Still used Visual Basic 1.0 on Windows 98SE, too.
As well as on a separate Windows 3.1 installation on same HDD (vanilla 3.1 didn't use VFAT yet, so that DOS 7.1 patch wasn't needed, I believe).
The 640x480 screen and Win 3.1 GUI helped in the application design.

Edit: I have to explain: I wasn't a fan of the Win95/3D look.
I prefered the 2D look, so I renamed CTL3D.DLL, CTL3DV2.DLL etc to *.BAK to get rid of it.
My Windows 3.1x always had system dialogs with flat buttons and white backgrounds.
Windows XP later reminded me of those good times!

Of course, there also was a contrast. My father's main PC (386DX-40) got replaced by a Pentium III @733 MHz by the turn of the century.
Software wise, the change wasn't that huge. Windows 98SE replaced Windows 95.
At least, the PC now had FAT32 and DirectX. The old Windows 95 did come without it.
(He was a hard-/software developer and down-to-earth. RAM and HDD space always had top priority, though.)

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