W.x. wrote on 2023-06-01, 19:27:lets scrap Virge, S3 Trio3D, MX440's, and all celerons too.
I never scrap anything, particulary graphic cards.
And no, they don' […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2023-06-01, 00:48:
W.x. wrote on 2023-05-31, 16:52:
He has a syndrom of "all what is not high class is garbage". He knows only black and white. He is like Retro Hardware channel on youtrube, scrapping functional Ati Xpert 2000 (Rage 128) cards, just because "it's junk", according him, and he already have 1000x better stuff. It's kinda disrespectful to old hardware. Even low end and mid-tier hardware has its place in history and deserves respect, as nothing new will be made.
TBF Rage 128 cards are like the cockroaches of the retro hardware world, there are 10's of thousands of them out there selling for pennies, you cant give them away and in the end how many people would actually use one even if it was working ? (Does testing and benches count here? I'm thinking of actual use in a finished build)
Some retro hardware really is rubbish no matter how much you want it to not be, this is something all collectors need to come to terms with eventually. (on a side point, there are still rage cards being made from out of china which makes the retro ones even less useful)
lets scrap Virge, S3 Trio3D, MX440's, and all celerons too.
I never scrap anything, particulary graphic cards.
And no, they don't make "new" cards. They need working chip, and place it on PCB. Not sure about Rage 128, I saw only Rage XL's . And quality is terrible. Not comparable by original Rage XL, that was made by Ati. Not to mention, that I'm not sure, they are working in all PCI slots. In original Rage XL, they included some voltage logic, so it can work in all PCI slots, old and new boards. But to be cheapest possible, newly made Rage cards, don't work in old motherboards, like 486.
Not to mention historical value. Even when you make replica, original is original, and have historical value. New historical cards will never be made. What is scrapped is scrapped forever.
Then you can keep them in a museum, namely your closet or basement buried in the bottom of some plastic storage box just like many other collectors here do .. never to actually be used because there are thousands of cheaper better options available in both PCI and AGP.
Ill even send you the half dozen I have buried in my spares box. The Virge, Trio and MX440 are all worth keeping the first two because they are some of the most compatible DOS cards you can find the MX440 because its a damn fine GPU for Win98SE/ WinXp with more than enough grunt to play a wide range of games, not to mention the MX range are exceptionally reliable as retro hardware goes, same for Virge.
Celerons do have a place, the 300A and 533A are both worth keeping and using along with any Tualatin Celeron, you don't seem to understand the concept of true junk parts .. like early Rage, SiS, Trident and even Cirrus Logic based cards, that said I don't consider late model Rage128 Pro or the Rage Fury MAXX dual GPU cards to be junk, they are capable cards with the right drivers and the MAXX is the most unique due to it being one of the first Dual GPU cards ever released. I put Cirrus Logic here but they did have some wonderful models along with their bad ones, Trident too had some great models.
You need to learn to separate the good stuff from the actual junk .. and yes there was quite a lot of junk parts made back in the day, some were ok and some were actual junk even when new, and if I kept every single GPU I came across because of its supposed historical value I might just need to build myself a museum to house them all.
I too once thought like you do but after 250 odd video cards and lack of space I realized I was collecting junk for the sake of collecting junk because it might have some value but the truth was, much of it only has value to me and possibly other people like me. So most of the Cockroach Rage, Trident, Cirrus Logic and other no name Taiwanese junk got culled, I kept the parts that had value or were unique and were worth keeping and sent the rest to eBay or e-waste if it no longer worked. (I dont sell untested parts on eBay, too much hassle)
Now I have room again to keep collecting parts worth saving and enough sense to know that not all retro parts are worth the storage space.
Thankfully we have people like yourself who like collecting for the sake of collecting and appear to have unlimited space to store it all.
