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Reply 24500 of 29597, by pan069

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80386SX wrote on 2023-06-13, 20:14:

Convert SIMM RAM to SIPP.
What better way to relax, than doing small welds 😀

Very nice. I recently installed 4MB of SIPP in my 286, I just happen to come across it for not too expensive a while back. What is you intended use? Never considered soldering pins to 30 pin SIMMs but I did think about doing/using the 30 pin ram slot conversion.

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Reply 24501 of 29597, by Joseph_Joestar

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I recently got a ZD-8925 desoldering station. It's among the cheaper ones, but still has fairly decent reviews. So I got to the task of replacing a damaged through-hole electrolytic capacitor on one of the motherboards that I recently acquired. Maybe it's just my lack of experience, but this was way harder than I thought it would be.

Desoldering one of the capacitor legs was easy, and it only took a single attempt. But the other one didn't want to come out for quite a while. I think it may have been connected to the ground plane, which can make desoldering more difficult, or so I heard. Anyway, during several attempts, the desoldering gun would suck the solder that was on the surface of the PCB, but not the remainder inside the hole. I had to add fresh solder blobs several times until I was able to remove everything. After finally getting it done, I was extremely pleased, but this took a lot of effort. Got a known good capacitor soldered in place of the damaged one, and the board once again works perfectly. 😀

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PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
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Reply 24502 of 29597, by Minutemanqvs

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I had the same experience as you, what worked quite well for me is to put the desoldering gun tip on the capacitor leg and move it in "circles" around the leg while it melts the solder and before sucking it. This way it breaks the bond between the leg and the PCB more effectively. A trick I saw in a necroware video...

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Reply 24503 of 29597, by Joseph_Joestar

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Minutemanqvs wrote on 2023-06-14, 07:09:

I had the same experience as you, what worked quite well for me is to put the desoldering gun tip on the capacitor leg and move it in "circles" around the leg while it melts the solder and before sucking it. This way it breaks the bond between the leg and the PCB more effectively. A trick I saw in a necroware video...

Yeah, that's what I ended up doing as well. His videos are what inspired me get more into soldering in the first place. 😁

It's certainly a very useful skill when dealing with retro hardware.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 24504 of 29597, by BetaC

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I spent way too much time today trying to figure out why a Powerbook G3 is so unhappy with installing an OS from CD, and finally ended up figuring out that it simply doesn't like reading from a CD and writing to an SSD . the SSD can talk to its self without issue, though. I also ended up thinking for a bit while bored, and now I genuinely want to know just how many CPU architectures Itanuim killed off.

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Reply 24505 of 29597, by appiah4

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I tested 3 IDE hard drives yesterday:

Maxtor 7080AT 80MB: Had a clean MS-DOS 5.0 install, formatted fine, surface scan clean
Seagate ST3145A 130MB: Had an NTFS partition of all things! Formatted fine, surface scan clean
Quantum LPS210 210MB: Had a Windows 95 install, formatted fine, surface scan clean

Super happy that these workhorses are still ticking! the 80MB or 130MB one will go into my 286 build. I haven't decided which yet.

Reply 24506 of 29597, by cloverskull

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Finally made progress on a long term project that I haven’t touched in forever - installed MS-DOS 7.1 and Windows 3.11 on my 486 build! When I say 486, I mean PODP5V on a 486-intended motherboard. I’ve even managed to crank the fsb up to 40mhz, so the CPU runs at 100mhz, and my two VLB cards _seem_ to be fine, even with 0 wait states. Then again, not sure how I’d know if they were functioning incorrectly, but…so far so good? 😜 Now if only I could get that darn mouse to work…

Reply 24507 of 29597, by ediflorianUS

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appiah4 wrote on 2023-06-14, 07:49:
I tested 3 IDE hard drives yesterday: […]
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I tested 3 IDE hard drives yesterday:

Maxtor 7080AT 80MB: Had a clean MS-DOS 5.0 install, formatted fine, surface scan clean
Seagate ST3145A 130MB: Had an NTFS partition of all things! Formatted fine, surface scan clean
Quantum LPS210 210MB: Had a Windows 95 install, formatted fine, surface scan clean

Super happy that these workhorses are still ticking! the 80MB or 130MB one will go into my 286 build. I haven't decided which yet.

at least you have such old things . most trow them away(big mistake , much higher chanse of use/repair old drive than thise 2005+ one's)

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Reply 24508 of 29597, by PD2JK

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I straightened some pins on this DX2, using a mechanical pencil. That works, but only one 'succesful' post on the Presario 433... I think there is still work to be done on the pins. Maybe cleaning them will do the trick. Any advice how to clean them?

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Also replaced the Lithium coin cell battery with a CR2032 holder.

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Reply 24509 of 29597, by pentiumspeed

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Yesterday bought couple of 486 processors, one with metal clipped on heatsink which I prefers over anything that uses plastic. I speak from experience. And other one is a 486DX4 overdrive (with heatsink included but need to be reattached or make clip. Don't ask me why what happened!

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Reply 24510 of 29597, by ediflorianUS

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I did a scavanger hunt of a few sueboxes I had on my shelf and looky what turned up (I totally forgot I had) all this , some ram and 2x Ti4600's also...(my mind is blown I totaly forgot I got those in my vintage GPU broken collection).

PD2JK - I usually clean the pins with alcohol or contact cleaner and a toothbrush , you can also use a wide butter knife or toothpick to str8gthen the bent pins.

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Reply 24511 of 29597, by PD2JK

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ediflorianUS wrote on 2023-06-16, 15:05:

PD2JK - I usually clean the pins with alcohol or contact cleaner and a toothbrush , you can also use a wide butter knife or toothpick to str8gthen the bent pins.

Thanks for the advice, appreciate it. I'll go with the toothbrush and contact cleaner, then alcohol, and make sure every pin is 100% 'unbend' 😁

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Reply 24512 of 29597, by alarchy

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Installed Windows XP updates over ~780mbps wireless (TPLink Archer T4U v3.😎 and using legacyupdate.net. Got ublock origin v1.46 installed into Mypal 68.

Reply 24513 of 29597, by Horun

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Fired up my KR8010 just to test it, works fine. Tested some old MSmouse systems AT/ps2 kb and works ok. Nothing new so just move along 🤣...

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Reply 24514 of 29597, by scripta

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My customer has got a CNC machine connected to a PC running XP (P4 era) that can't upgrade to a newer Windows. The PC didn't boot. I've found bulging caps on the MB (a P4 Foxconn) and in the ATX power supply. I've replaced them with a spare ASUS P4PE2-x and a new power supply. Installed and activated XP. Installed drivers for CNC machine. Fixed.

Reply 24515 of 29597, by Thermalwrong

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alarchy wrote on 2023-06-17, 00:33:

Installed Windows XP updates over ~780mbps wireless (TPLink Archer T4U v3.😎 and using legacyupdate.net. Got ublock origin v1.46 installed into Mypal 68.

I've got to give this a go sometime, it seems a shame that it doesn't support Windows 98 even if it does appear to have the files available. Right now all I install on fresh installs is the security updates CD from 2004.

Lately I've been doing not-retro things with retro things. For instance all that playing about with parallel LCDs that I've been doing lately, on Advantech industrial boards. I've now discovered that those same LCDs can be run very easily with a Raspberry Pi from its GPIO pins, even a Pi Zero. This thing looks like a hacky mess, but it works properly and I didn't have to wait to get a replacement PCB 😀

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This should be nice to have for testing out LCDs in future. It's much easier to change settings for it than the VGA BIOS editing required for CHIPS LCD controllers.

I also found that an old PC Review CD-ROM coverdisc I kept which doesn't appear to be uploaded anywhere so I thought I'd archive it. There was a huge scratch on the bottom and even after polishing it's impossible to get a complete image, so I ripped the files I could and patched together the full image again. Learnt a fair bit about how to use PowerShell to set all the file created/modified times to match the original CD's times, since copying them across set the created times to current day instead of 1994. Now I can upload this and it's safe from further disc-rot 😀

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Reply 24516 of 29597, by Thermalwrong

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Another one from me sorry, but I think this is worth sharing. I have 2x AST Bravo NB laptops - a mono one and a colour DSTN one. The AST Bravo NB is rare to see these days, afaik it's a Quanta laptop rebranded and you can find a Dell version of it too. This one's not mine but it looks the same: https://wiki.preterhuman.net/AST_Bravo_NB_4/25s
The DSTN one is nearly perfect now but it couldn't detect a PS/2 mouse at all for some reason. The built-in trackball is quite awful to use so it's not been much fun to actually use.
Yeah I could use a serial mouse, but PS/2 mice require less steps and I can use an optical mouse easily. I found that the outer pins on the PS/2 socket (5v and GND) were showing ~0.1v instead of 5v between the two pins.

Taking it apart, my first task was to rebuild a load of broken plastic that held the left hinge in place. Initially I tried gluing the bits plastic from that screwhole back together but then they broke in a new way. So I used a steel washer to make the screwhole's 'base' and crafted some black mouldable plastic that melts in hot water to rebuild it:

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It's stronger now at least, the hinges feel a little less floppy.

Going deeper in, this connector with 6 pins runs the keyboard and mouse PS/2 ports - why is the black wire 5v and the red wire Ground?? Lots of bodge wires too

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Took the motherboard out and followed the circuit around - the 5v trace goes into L37 which goes to 5v. Which no longer has any connectivity, it was that little blue block down by the PS/2 ports.

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That's an inductor which is apparently rated for like 250ma so I can see why it broke running an external mouse / keyboard. I have some 500ma polyfuses left over from my HardMPU builds so the 5v can run across that instead - maybe that inductor was the fuse? Don't think polyfuses existed back in 1993, but it has a fuse now.
Put it all back together and now it detects my optical mouse, much nicer to use.

Reply 24517 of 29597, by Kahenraz

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2023-06-17, 19:47:

I also found that an old PC Review CD-ROM coverdisc I kept which doesn't appear to be uploaded anywhere so I thought I'd archive it. There was a huge scratch on the bottom and even after polishing it's impossible to get a complete image, so I ripped the files I could and patched together the full image again. Learnt a fair bit about how to use PowerShell to set all the file created/modified times to match the original CD's times, since copying them across set the created times to current day instead of 1994. Now I can upload this and it's safe from further disc-rot 😀
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Cover discs were amazing. I think a lot of people were excited about collecting anything and everything on CD-ROM to build out their collection. CDs were a very exciting time in the 90s. It really was a multimedia revolution.

Reply 24518 of 29597, by Joseph_Joestar

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Kahenraz wrote on 2023-06-18, 14:58:

Cover discs were amazing. I think a lot of people were excited about collecting anything and everything on CD-ROM to build out their collection. CDs were a very exciting time in the 90s. It really was a multimedia revolution.

Even today cover discs are an extremely useful resource for retro PC gamers.

You can find all sorts of drivers on those, some of which are no longer available anywhere else. Browsing the archives of shareware programs and game demos can be very interesting too. It's pretty much a direct window to the past.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 24519 of 29597, by Joseph_Joestar

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In other news, I just upgraded a couple of my retro rigs from Debian 11 to 12. Went pretty smoothly except for the system with a GTX 650Ti.

Apparently, someone decided that this GPU is no longer supported through the main nvidia-driver package, so I had to switch to nvidia-tesla-470-driver. This wouldn't be much of a problem had it not informed me of that mid-upgrade, which caused things to break a bit. The fix was simply uninstalling all Nvidia driver packages, then doing fresh install of nvidia-tesla-470-driver and lastly running the full system upgrade again. Everything works perfectly now, but it irks me that such a little change caused a problem like that.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi