ThinkpadIL wrote on 2023-08-26, 06:33:

rasz_pl wrote on 2023-08-26, 06:17:

Couldnt decide between buying this $10 Gravis UltraSound MAX https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/gravis-ultr … 1-isa-na-czesci Cli […]
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Couldnt decide between buying this $10 Gravis UltraSound MAX https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/gravis-ultr … 1-isa-na-czesci
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or $5 Diamond Monster 3D https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/3-dfx-diamo … loczki-niestety
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Gravis UltraSound MAX Split Version ... Very rare find!

Monster 3D cut down version, saves a lot of space. Nice.

I'd get both for the brackets. The v1 has some useful chips. I'm in the need of that ramdac, one of v1's I have, got some crazy colors.

I'd get both for the brackets. The v1 has some useful chips. I'm in the need of that ramdac, one of v1's I have, got some crazy colors.

I'd get both for the brackets. The v1 has some useful chips. I'm in the need of that ramdac, one of v1's I have, got some crazy colors.

Wow, what the... with triple post.

Zerthimon wrote on 2023-08-26, 09:50:

Wow, what the... with triple post.

Seems like you have troubles not only with V1, but also with a keyboard ...

I started getting some awesome HTTP 500 errors when posting to this thread.

rasz_pl wrote on 2023-08-26, 06:17:

Couldnt decide between buying this $10 Gravis UltraSound MAX https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/gravis-ultr … 1-isa-na-czesci Cli […]
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Couldnt decide between buying this $10 Gravis UltraSound MAX https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/gravis-ultr … 1-isa-na-czesci
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or $5 Diamond Monster 3D https://allegrolokalnie.pl/oferta/3-dfx-diamo … loczki-niestety
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Both of course?
If you had to choose (for whatever reason) get the GUS.

Zerthimon wrote on 2023-08-26, 09:50:

Wow, what the... with triple post.

Sometimes I get an error screen after sumbitting a post. But that's misleading because it was always succeassful. Often that happens when another post was submitted meanwhile. Just like right now 😀

HanSolo wrote on 2023-08-26, 09:57:

Sometimes I get an error screen after sumbitting a post. But that's misleading because it was always succeassful. Often that happens when another post was submitted meanwhile. Just like right now 😀

Same here.
Mostly on my phone.

White page after submitting. But message posted.

I just bought an HP OmniBook 4150 off of eBay. It also came with a massive docking station and PCMCIA wireless card. The catch is that it was described as "untested" and was sold as is. I have never bought a computer "as is", but decided to throw $10 at it on impulse, as local pickup was available for an additional $5. I didn't expect to win, but figured that I could at least use it for parts if I did. I wasn't winning the auction, but the winner cancelled, so I got it. Not bad for $15.

Better yet, it works! It will need a new CMOS battery and probably something for storage (it sounds like there's a little gremlin with a baseball bat in there, which I assume is a failing HDD). Those aren't a big deal and I would have replaced the HDD with flash storage anyways.

Regarding the specs, this one came with a PII 266MHZ and 192 Mb ram. The GPU is described in the manual as "256-bit NeoMagic MagicGraph graphics accelerator with 2.5-MB video RAM, 1x AGP graphics capability". I don't know which chips they used for sound, so I don't know what to expect for DOS SoundBlaster compatibility. I assume it'll be an AC'97, but I'm fine with that.

I'll probably just stash this docking station in a closet. It's massive and doesn't give me anything extra apart from an extra PS/2 port.

I probably won't need the wireless card, but it wouldn't hurt to have it on hand.

Some HP laptops had the ESS Maestro-2E. My Pavilion N3350 AMD K6-2+/550M has that and an HPA display (in between DSTN and TFT). Same GPU.

According to the reference guide:

1Major ICs Models without “4150” after serial number
2CPU: Intel Mobile Pentium II or Pentium III processor.
3South Bridge: PIIX4E.
4Video: NeoMagic MagicGraph NM2200 (NMG5).
5Audio: NeoMagic MagicGraph NM2200 (NMG5) and NeoMagic Audio NMA2.
6CardBus: TI PCI 1220A.
7Keyboard controller: National PC87570.
8Super I/O: SMC 769.
9Models with “4150 B” after serial number
10CPU: Intel Mobile Pentium II processor.
11South Bridge: PIIX4M.
12Video: ATI Mobility-M or -M1.
13Audio: ESS ES1978 Maestro-2E and ESS ES1921.
14CardBus: TI PCI 1225.
15Keyboard controller: National PC87570.
16Super I/O: SMC 869.

If it shows 4150 B after the S/N, ESS Maestro-2E.

Without 4150 after the S/N, NeoMagic.

But, it depends on the scenario. I'd say slap Windows 2000 Professional on it and it'll say which sound card it is.

bjwil1991 wrote on 2023-08-27, 03:27:

Some HP laptops had the ESS Maestro-2E. My Pavilion N3350 AMD K6-2+/550M has that and an HPA display (in between DSTN and TFT). […]
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Some HP laptops had the ESS Maestro-2E. My Pavilion N3350 AMD K6-2+/550M has that and an HPA display (in between DSTN and TFT). Same GPU.

According to the reference guide:

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1Major ICs Models without “4150” after serial number
2CPU: Intel Mobile Pentium II or Pentium III processor.
3South Bridge: PIIX4E.
4Video: NeoMagic MagicGraph NM2200 (NMG5).
5Audio: NeoMagic MagicGraph NM2200 (NMG5) and NeoMagic Audio NMA2.
6CardBus: TI PCI 1220A.
7Keyboard controller: National PC87570.
8Super I/O: SMC 769.
9Models with “4150 B” after serial number
10CPU: Intel Mobile Pentium II processor.
11South Bridge: PIIX4M.
12Video: ATI Mobility-M or -M1.
13Audio: ESS ES1978 Maestro-2E and ESS ES1921.
14CardBus: TI PCI 1225.
15Keyboard controller: National PC87570.
16Super I/O: SMC 869.

If it shows 4150 B after the S/N, ESS Maestro-2E.

Without 4150 after the S/N, NeoMagic.

But, it depends on the scenario. I'd say slap Windows 2000 Professional on it and it'll say which sound card it is.

Thanks. It should have the Neomagic according to this.

rasz_pl wrote on 2023-08-26, 06:17:

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Y'know, if I knew that crystal on that board was working, I'd be tempted to take it. Might be worth it for that one component alone.

Shponglefan wrote on 2023-08-27, 04:14:

Y'know, if I knew that crystal on that board was working, I'd be tempted to take it. Might be worth it for that one component alone.

You mean CS4231, right?
What's so special about that chip?

I would rather expect the GF1 being precious - there were some attempts at modern GUS recreation, but due to GF1 unavailability, the only option is Interwave, which isn't perfectly GF1-compatible.

Grzyb wrote on 2023-08-27, 05:21:

Shponglefan wrote on 2023-08-27, 04:14:

Y'know, if I knew that crystal on that board was working, I'd be tempted to take it. Might be worth it for that one component alone.

You mean CS4231, right?

No, I mean the actual crystal itself (between the GF1 and memory socket). The crystal used by the GF1 uses an uncommon frequency (19.7568 MHz). They are no longer made and finding stock of them is near impossible.

If the crystal starts to go bad, it can cause distortion and other issues on the GUS. So salvaging a working one from a broken GUS is definitely worth it.

I would rather expect the GF1 being precious - there were some attempts at modern GUS recreation, but due to GF1 unavailability, the only option is Interwave, which isn't perfectly GF1-compatible.

The GF1 chip is definitely worth saving too. But it's also a less likely point-of-failure compared to the crystals, so IMHO, that crystal is probably worth more.

No pics because it needs surgery first, but got a LuckyTech P6VBX7. If the TRW wants hi-res photos of it as is, let me know and I'll take some as soon as I get home.

Surgery needed:

- DIN5 AT connector missing
- jumpers missing
- caps older than Black Beard

EDIT: It's alive!!!!

Shponglefan wrote on 2023-08-27, 05:42:

No, I mean the actual crystal itself (between the GF1 and memory socket). The crystal used by the GF1 uses an uncommon frequency (19.7568 MHz). They are no longer made and finding stock of them is near impossible.

will 19 075 679,966 Hz be fine? $2.15 free shipping https://rfzero.net/documentation/tools/si5351 … frequency-tool/

PcBytes wrote on 2023-08-27, 07:52:

No pics because it needs surgery first, but got a LuckyTech P6VBX7. If the TRW wants hi-res photos of it as is, let me know and I'll take some as soon as I get home.

Socket 370 on Baby-AT form factor? Wow, I haven't seen one in my lifetime. 😃 Learning new stuff everyday.

I have a Slot 1 440LX mobo as well (and Socket3 also has the same board as me, except it's marked EX), and it's the Zida-Tomato LX98-AT.

PcBytes wrote on 2023-08-27, 18:40:

I have a Slot 1 440LX mobo as well (and Socket3 also has the same board as me, except it's marked EX), and it's the Zida-Tomato LX98-AT.

There was also very cheap and rock solid Zida ZX98. I modded a couple to Tualatin back in the day, 366@550 with good cpu no problem.