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First post, by CRACKBONE

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Hello,

I am new to retro computing and have found a seemingly good deal on an IBM PS/2 model 30 (now known to be a 286 system). I am curious as to what upgrades for the hardware would be recommended. I am also curious as to what hard drives are compatible with such a machine, as the one which I have purchased is lacking one and I wish to make that upgrade for certain. I apologize if this post is a little Spartan, I am not entirely sure what to ask for in this case. If there's any more information that is necessary, please let me know. I would be glad to include more. Thank you!

Best,
T.W.

Last edited by CRACKBONE on 2023-09-17, 23:10. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 5, by mkarcher

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First, you should find out whether the Model 30 you are going to obtain is a 8086-based computer or a 80286-based computers. While both of these computers have a processor that can perform 16-bit data transfers, the "original" Model 30 only accepts 8-bit ISA cards (up to 3 of them), whereas the 286-based Model 30 can handle 16-bit cards.

Furthermore, the integrated video system of the classic Model 30 is an extended CGA-like system that supports the cheap and easy to implement VGA features: Software-configured character sets, 256-color graphics at 320x200 and monochrome graphics at 640x480, all of that on a VGA monitor. It does not support any EGA-like 16-color modes. You can add an 8-bit (Super-)VGA card, the onboard video will be automatically disabled then. The Model 30/286 on the other hand has the original IBM VGA chip on the mainboard. This is a quite slow, 8-bit VGA implementation, but it is the original VGA implementation.

The Model 30 (8086) has 128KB of RAM soldered to the main board, and usually comes with two 256KB SIMMs (industry standard SIMMs!), extending the conventional memory to the maximum standard amount of 640KB. The only memory expansion option you have on that computer is an 8-bit EMS board. On the other hand, the Model 30/286 was originally sold with 2 non-standard 256KB SIMMs, and can take up to 4 of this kind of non-standard SIMMs for up to 4MB of RAM.

Another recurring topic is the drives: The drives for the PS/2 line are proprietary, with power and data on the same cable. There are adapters to connect standard floppy drives, but mounting them in a way that they fit the case design is non-trivial. The integrated hard drive of the Model 30 8086 is IBM's own idea of creating an XT-attachment standard which is, to my knowledge, not compatible to anything else. The integrated hard drive of the Model 30/286 is an ESDI drive with proprietary connector, so getting spare parts is difficult, too. Adding your own hard drive controller (or hard card) is an option for both of them, so going XT-IDE with a CF card, or stanard IDE with a CF card (you still need an IDE BIOS with the 30/286, as there is no IDE support in the mainboard BIOS).

If you are going to play games, you likely want a sound card. Games that work nicely on the Model 30 family of computers generally will not support anything more fancy than a Soundblaster Pro, often just AdLib. Getting an OPL2 based card is obscenely expensive, as are all the original Creative cards of that era. I would advise against Sound Blaster 16 in this kind of computer, because you won't have any benefit from the 16-bit stuff, but you will lose SB Pro stereo compatibility. On the other hand, there are a lot of SB Pro compatible cards, often including WSS (Windows Sound System) support, for example OAK Mozart and OPTi 82c930-based cards, some of them having the Yamaha OPL3 chip or a perfect unlicensed copy. Those cards might be way cheaper and fit your needs.

If you want to get the machine hooked up to a network, you can get some card based on the WD8003 or an NE1000 for the 8086 variant (8-bits). For the 30/286, you can use one of the ubiquitious NE2000 clones (e.g. RTL8019), or a 3c509. You will have good driver support anyway. You can use NE2000 cards in 8-bit slots, but this requires special driver support, which is e.g. not included in the standard NE1000/NE2000 packet driver used as base for mTCP.

Reply 2 of 5, by Jo22

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May I ask if the original IBM PS/2 monitor is part of "the deal"?
Because that monitor (if colour model) was very good for MCGA/VGA cames.
It did something what later VGA monitors nolonger did, it did blend colours together.
Especially for low-res games of the first half of the 90s, this is still important.

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Reply 3 of 5, by digger

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Does it also come with an original Model M keyboard? That alone might be worth the deal. 😅

Although IMO, the PS/2 Model 30 case, with its pizza box aesthetic, is definitely very nice to have in a collection too.

Reply 4 of 5, by waterbeesje

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I've got both, 8086 and 286 and did some nice upgrades to it 😀

Model 30 021 (20MB HDD, 1 720k FDD)
- NEC V30 CPU
- ATI VGA Wonder for EGA, VGA and some svga display modes
- Soundblaster 2.0 CT1350
- LoTech 2MB Ems card (useless but I had it laying around)
(- sometimes switching the Ems card for XT-CF with 64MB CF card)
This setup is great for early EGA/VGA stuff and even runs Windows 3.0 ok. I usually use laplink cable with interlnk/intersvr from pc dos 5.02

Model 30-286 (30MB HDD, 1 1,44M FDD, 1MB ram)
- Trident TVGA 8800 1MB (for extra resolution)
- random sound blaster pro clone
- XT-CF card for additional storage
The board uses a 10MHz 286 and that's about its limit. It runs Windows 3.1 but you really shouldn't bother, it's too slow to be useful. Keep with DOS and it's a fun machine. For dos you only need 1MB as well, so I didn't bother the ram upgrade 😉

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 5 of 5, by CRACKBONE

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mkarcher wrote on 2023-09-17, 13:42:
First, you should find out whether the Model 30 you are going to obtain is a 8086-based computer or a 80286-based computers. Wh […]
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First, you should find out whether the Model 30 you are going to obtain is a 8086-based computer or a 80286-based computers. While both of these computers have a processor that can perform 16-bit data transfers, the "original" Model 30 only accepts 8-bit ISA cards (up to 3 of them), whereas the 286-based Model 30 can handle 16-bit cards.

Furthermore, the integrated video system of the classic Model 30 is an extended CGA-like system that supports the cheap and easy to implement VGA features: Software-configured character sets, 256-color graphics at 320x200 and monochrome graphics at 640x480, all of that on a VGA monitor. It does not support any EGA-like 16-color modes. You can add an 8-bit (Super-)VGA card, the onboard video will be automatically disabled then. The Model 30/286 on the other hand has the original IBM VGA chip on the mainboard. This is a quite slow, 8-bit VGA implementation, but it is the original VGA implementation.

The Model 30 (8086) has 128KB of RAM soldered to the main board, and usually comes with two 256KB SIMMs (industry standard SIMMs!), extending the conventional memory to the maximum standard amount of 640KB. The only memory expansion option you have on that computer is an 8-bit EMS board. On the other hand, the Model 30/286 was originally sold with 2 non-standard 256KB SIMMs, and can take up to 4 of this kind of non-standard SIMMs for up to 4MB of RAM.

Another recurring topic is the drives: The drives for the PS/2 line are proprietary, with power and data on the same cable. There are adapters to connect standard floppy drives, but mounting them in a way that they fit the case design is non-trivial. The integrated hard drive of the Model 30 8086 is IBM's own idea of creating an XT-attachment standard which is, to my knowledge, not compatible to anything else. The integrated hard drive of the Model 30/286 is an ESDI drive with proprietary connector, so getting spare parts is difficult, too. Adding your own hard drive controller (or hard card) is an option for both of them, so going XT-IDE with a CF card, or stanard IDE with a CF card (you still need an IDE BIOS with the 30/286, as there is no IDE support in the mainboard BIOS).

If you are going to play games, you likely want a sound card. Games that work nicely on the Model 30 family of computers generally will not support anything more fancy than a Soundblaster Pro, often just AdLib. Getting an OPL2 based card is obscenely expensive, as are all the original Creative cards of that era. I would advise against Sound Blaster 16 in this kind of computer, because you won't have any benefit from the 16-bit stuff, but you will lose SB Pro stereo compatibility. On the other hand, there are a lot of SB Pro compatible cards, often including WSS (Windows Sound System) support, for example OAK Mozart and OPTi 82c930-based cards, some of them having the Yamaha OPL3 chip or a perfect unlicensed copy. Those cards might be way cheaper and fit your needs.

If you want to get the machine hooked up to a network, you can get some card based on the WD8003 or an NE1000 for the 8086 variant (8-bits). For the 30/286, you can use one of the ubiquitious NE2000 clones (e.g. RTL8019), or a 3c509. You will have good driver support anyway. You can use NE2000 cards in 8-bit slots, but this requires special driver support, which is e.g. not included in the standard NE1000/NE2000 packet driver used as base for mTCP.

Thank you for your response!

I believe that it's a 286-based system. Regarding hard drives and adapters, do you have any specific recommendations? The system does not come with a hard drive, probably explaining why it was a bit cheaper than the others I had seen online. I'll definitely look into sound cards, as gaming, though not 100% my main focus, would absolutely be something I would be interested. I have also considered networking, and will definitely look into getting one of the cards that you have recommended.

Once again, thank you so much for your response.

Best,
T.W.

"A Godly mind prizes honour above worldly good."
- Rembrandt van Rijn