Nexxen wrote on 2023-10-28, 11:27:
My guess is that they aren't enough ppl to be on it 24/7.
There dont have to be, 14 months ago I asked about wiki like editing interface. Re: The Retro Web project - a better stason.org/TH99 alternative
Reply was "It's in the works".
People might be getting stupid ideas, like its the case of 'Its our hobby, we feel accomplished doing edits manually, automating would make volunteers redundant, be glad we do it and dont question us'.
Nexxen wrote on 2023-10-28, 11:27:
Discord channel, they have a lot of submitted stuff too.
Discord is like a toilet (or facebook, imo same thing), nobody from outside can see whats inside and google cant index it = opaque and long term useless. Gives the impression of closed club. Might as well ask for submissions thru Tiktok, WeChat or Grindr private messages.
Oerg866 wrote on 2023-10-28, 11:42:
added over 3000 boards
we all have day jobs and private lives.
practically working nonstop of going through tons and tons of info and submissions every single day
Manually copy pasting from emails? I hope you realize this is insane, straight up definition of bullshit job. Reminds me of companies paying people to copy paste&paste emails into Excel, or manual payroll, this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37724373#37736562.
Oerg866 wrote on 2023-10-28, 11:42:
only to hear people like Horun shittalk the whole operation because a model hasn't been updated quickly enough for him.
Look at it from outsider perspective, aka someone not in your discord club:
- there is ZERO info about updates, no changelog, no weekly/monthly "X added, Y edited"
- there is no system in place to see if submission by an outsider was even looked at
- "Oh, and we have something that resembles a blog as well!" I didnt even know there was a blog until looking at all links on main page just now and clicking on Articles https://blog.theretroweb.com
- On the blog there is one post about updating website codebase from 6 months ago, April: https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-r … ing-volunteers/ .
- this one article was never posted on vogons, it lives only on hidden blog.
- If you search google for "blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-retro-web-is-looking-for-coding-volunteers/" it will only return one result linking to itself.
- If you search google for "The Retro Web is looking for coding volunteers" it will only return two results, itself and main de facto hidden blog.
- If you search vogons for "retro gitlab" it wont find a single post for https://gitlab.com/ultimateretro/ultimateretro
People arent angry or ungrateful at theretroweb crew, they are frustrated with black hole like process you established. Take how you feel about doing the work people dont appreciate or even dont notice - people feel same way about submissions. Maybe even worse because you asked for those submissions explicitly.
Its the classic case of two groups talking to the void and getting angry at each other 🙁 You post asking for help on a blog nobody knows exist, people send submissions and dont see any feedback for months.
Oerg866 wrote on 2023-10-28, 11:42:
That being said, the primary means of submission are either through discord or email.
So 'drop it in the toilet and maybe it will be used, have fun checking manually from time to time'. This is unusable and unsustainable.
Now im going back to reading https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-r … ing-volunteers/ too see how I can help.