supercordo wrote on 2023-11-23, 23:37:

Nexxen wrote on 2023-11-23, 23:31:

For s.423 + RDRAM which OS would yield the best results? W2K or XP?

For 3dmark2000, 98se with dx7 installed. For 2001, most people use Xp.

Yeah, W2K was never really a popular OS for gaming, back then, one would run 98se or ME. I ran 2k, and AFAIK it was pretty good, but it wasn't common to run for games ...

OK, I got all 3 benchmarks (3DMark00,01SE,03) to run on the following system:

P4C800-E, Northwood Pentium 3.0GHz (800MHZ, Hyperthreading), overclocked to 3.30GHz with 220MHz FSB.
I did a lazy "auto overclock" in the BIOS, with no other tweaks. At 5:4 FSB:DRAM ratio, this actually runs the RAM at a lower speed (352MHz DDR instead of the rated 400MHz), and is very generous with timings too (3-4-4-8).

GPU is a Gigabyte GeForce 6600GT, slightly factory overclocked (RAM runs at 560MHz instead of 475MHz on the base model).

OS is Windows XP SP3. No driver customizations, no other tweaks.

But anyhow, the results are attached.
3DMark2000 - 10411 3D Marks
3DMark2001SE - 15136 3D Marks
3DMark2003 - 8298 3D Marks

The 3DMark2000 is surprisingly low. Maybe it doesn't like something in the hardware, or maybe it is because I had to run it in Win9x compatibility mode (it wouldn't run otherwise).

dr_st wrote on 2023-11-24, 15:08:

OK, I got all 3 benchmarks (3DMark00,01SE,03) to run on the following system: […]
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OK, I got all 3 benchmarks (3DMark00,01SE,03) to run on the following system:

P4C800-E, Northwood Pentium 3.0GHz (800MHZ, Hyperthreading), overclocked to 3.30GHz with 220MHz FSB.
I did a lazy "auto overclock" in the BIOS, with no other tweaks. At 5:4 FSB:DRAM ratio, this actually runs the RAM at a lower speed (352MHz DDR instead of the rated 400MHz), and is very generous with timings too (3-4-4-8).

GPU is a Gigabyte GeForce 6600GT, slightly factory overclocked (RAM runs at 560MHz instead of 475MHz on the base model).

OS is Windows XP SP3. No driver customizations, no other tweaks.

But anyhow, the results are attached.
3DMark2000 - 10411 3D Marks
3DMark2001SE - 15136 3D Marks
3DMark2003 - 8298 3D Marks

The 3DMark2000 is surprisingly low. Maybe it doesn't like something in the hardware, or maybe it is because I had to run it in Win9x compatibility mode (it wouldn't run otherwise).

Yeah 3dmark2000 really likes windows 98se with only DX7 installed from my experiences. Nice scores for a lazy OC.

Well my Asus P4t arrived but the bios is soldered to the board and doesn't support the 1.8 to 2.0 cpu's and my 1.5 is lost in shipping.

Sorry, I feel like such a spammer - but apparently the FX1100 had more up it's sleeve 🤣 Oh yeah, and it seems I only overclocked the 2D setting originally - RivaTuner had separate 2D and 3D settings ... I doubt it though, as the result seems more reasonable for going 500-> 540, right?

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 18:54:

Sorry, I feel like such a spammer - but apparently the FX1100 had more up it's sleeve 🤣 Oh yeah, and it seems I only overclocked the 2D setting originally - RivaTuner had separate 2D and 3D settings ... I doubt it though, as the result seems more reasonable for going 500-> 540, right?

Nice increase but not enough to dethrone dr_st.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-24, 19:00:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 18:54:

Sorry, I feel like such a spammer - but apparently the FX1100 had more up it's sleeve 🤣 Oh yeah, and it seems I only overclocked the 2D setting originally - RivaTuner had separate 2D and 3D settings ... I doubt it though, as the result seems more reasonable for going 500-> 540, right?

Nice increase but not enough to dethrone dr_st.

It's not like I've finished spamming this thread 🤣

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 19:04:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-24, 19:00:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 18:54:

Sorry, I feel like such a spammer - but apparently the FX1100 had more up it's sleeve 🤣 Oh yeah, and it seems I only overclocked the 2D setting originally - RivaTuner had separate 2D and 3D settings ... I doubt it though, as the result seems more reasonable for going 500-> 540, right?

Nice increase but not enough to dethrone dr_st.

It's not like I've finished spamming this thread 🤣

Keep 'em coming!!!

Sooo close ... But nooooo ...

Just for reference, I took a "screenshot" from my laptop ... i5-2520M, which is also the GPU 🤣

I was bored so i fired up the DFI Lanparty Pro 875. Threw the HD 3850 in there and set the FSB to 233. Booted right up. I picked 233 because i just crabbed 2 sticks of Corsair XMS3700 DDR 466 3,4,4,8

Show-off: 🤣:

Wonder what would be best - a 3.0 hoping to get above 3.6 or go for the 2.4 to see if it will go 3.4 with crazy high FSB. After all, it is DDR500 cl 2.5 I'm using ... Or maybe find a 2.6 to compromise change of high frequency AND high FSB ... Oh, the choices ...

Not even Considering Prescott ... Yet ... AFAIK it's slower clock for clock than Northwood albeit maybe better with the 2 MiB L2 cache version, but will it clock high enough to level out that? And will I be able to keep the house at a comfortable temperature? 🤭

Sorry, I was bored and you guys were post scores. Im sure ill spend all night tweaking and overclocking now. I have a 3.4 on the way. It will definitely take some testing to see which way is best.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-24, 23:15:

Sorry, I was bored and you guys were post scores. Im sure ill spend all night tweaking and overclocking now. I have a 3.4 on the way. It will definitely take some testing to see which way is best.

Happy tweaking! It's midnight here now, and there's a long day tomorrow, so no more from me now.

I could of course go the Prescott way on an LGA motherboard with PCIe - I have so many more candidates for a faster gpu there ... I'll sleep on that ...

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 23:19:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-24, 23:15:

Sorry, I was bored and you guys were post scores. Im sure ill spend all night tweaking and overclocking now. I have a 3.4 on the way. It will definitely take some testing to see which way is best.

Happy tweaking! It's midnight here now, and there's a long day tomorrow, so no more from me now.

I could of course go the Prescott way on an LGA motherboard with PCIe - I have so many more candidates for a faster gpu there ... I'll sleep on that ...

Im planning on having a benchmark for each core, on each socket.

Introducing a new socket : Socket 604

• Tyan Tiger i7505 (S2668) (specs here)
• Dual Xeon Gallatin 3.2Ghz/533/1MB Socket 604 1c/2t (specs here)
• 4x 512 DDR400 Corsair XMS (Running at DDR266 2/3/3/5)
• GeForce 7900GS AGP (oc @550/800 (from 450/660))
• XP SP3 / nVidia 175.19

• 3DMark 2001SE = 22766
• 3DMark 2000 = Can't start

The CPUs can't be overclocked on this motherboard. The bios offers no options, the ICS 932S203 seems not supported by any tool (ClockGen, SetFsb). The datasheet show no clue about supporting anything appart from 100 / 133 frequencies. Too bad, the x24 CPU multiplier should have helped a lot 😁
I could only tweak the DDR memory timings and overclock the GPU.

@supercordo : Without CPU overclock, not sure this system would qualify.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-24, 05:07:

For 3dmark2000, 98se with dx7 installed. For 2001, most people use Xp.

Yeah, W2K was never really a popular OS for gaming, back then, one would run 98se or ME. I ran 2k, and AFAIK it was pretty good, but it wasn't common to run for games ...
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There was only about 18 months between the release of 2000 and XP, which contributed to the low adoption, plus 2000 was really only marketed as an extra-cost option for business users. And while some games ran on it, some other developers (e.g. EA) were still very much in "we don't support that fancy NT thing, let's give you an error message on NT and move on" denial, even though NT going mainstream was a year away. Some people who had new hardware in 2000 with plentifulish RAM, etc like me ended up moving to 2000 simply because 98SE couldn't handle modern multitasking with an always-on Internet connection and 128 megs of RAM, but that was a small minority of people for a narrow period of about a year.

2000 was a great OS, IMO. One of the greatest releases of Windows ever... maybe the greatest ever, actually. But definitely 7 and 2000 would be my two contenders for greatest Windows ever.

acl wrote on 2023-11-25, 00:49:

Introducing a new socket : Socket 604 […]
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Introducing a new socket : Socket 604

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• Tyan Tiger i7505 (S2668) (specs here)
• Dual Xeon Gallatin 3.2Ghz/533/1MB Socket 604 1c/2t (specs here)
• 4x 512 DDR400 Corsair XMS (Running at DDR266 2/3/3/5)
• GeForce 7900GS AGP (oc @550/800 (from 450/660))
• XP SP3 / nVidia 175.19

• 3DMark 2001SE = 22766
• 3DMark 2000 = Can't start

StockCPU-7900GS-550-800-tweakedMem.png

The CPUs can't be overclocked on this motherboard. The bios offers no options, the ICS 932S203 seems not supported by any tool (ClockGen, SetFsb). The datasheet show no clue about supporting anything appart from 100 / 133 frequencies. Too bad, the x24 CPU multiplier should have helped a lot 😁
I could only tweak the DDR memory timings and overclock the GPU.

@supercordo : Without CPU overclock, not sure this system would qualify.

Ill make an exception for the dual Socket 604 builds. A lot of people are building them. You did overclock the video card. I wonder if its possible to put a different ICS chip on there?

The fruits of my overclocking. The HD 3850 grew legs and ran. This cpu didnt want to go past 250FSB. 255 is the max setting in bios. I still need to install 2003 and run that. My Corsair XMS3700 ddr466 only overclocked to 488. Had to stick my 2 sticks of G.Skill F1-4000USU2 in. Might still be some OC left in the 3850.

*DFI Lanparty PRO 875
*Pentium4 3.0/512/800 SL6WK D1 Northwood
*2x G.Skill F1-4000USU2 1G
*HD 3850 AGP (oc @ 709/936 from 669/829)
*XP SP3 Catalyst 13.4

Going to have to lowball this .. my D850MV2 is well pretty dead, doesn't even post anymore and right now I dont have the time to actually sit down and troubleshoot the cause. The P4T-E is also MIA, likely buried in one of the dozen boxes stashed in the shed. (I thought I had stashed it in my home, but I guess not)

I do have a ASRock 775i65GV that I use for AGP testing handy that I know works fine and Ill pull the P4 661 out of my CPU box, should be fun to see if I can get 4Ghz out of the CedarMill, have a Pentium D 960 too that might get a look in if I can find a suitably large enough cooler for it. I have some Corsair TwinX DDR500 and a HD4670 1Gb DDR3 Im going to throw at it too so hopefully I can get some good scores out of it.

All of this though will have to wait till early in the New Year, work has me booked out over the next month or so 🙁

-I really should delid the 960 and do some direct die cooling, I would never actually use that CPU for day to day retro stuff, it runs far too hot even at stock speeds and IIRC I only have two boards beside the Asrock that have beefy VRMs that can handle it overclocked.

Im not sure but Im guessing DDR2 and PCIe are allowed ?
If so I have a backup board that should the Asrock fail to overclock how I want, DDR2 and PCIe do open up other nice overclocking options like DDR2 1200!

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-25, 08:56:

Im not sure but Im guessing DDR2 and PCIe are allowed ?

I assume that as well. Really considering digging up an lga775 board for that 🤣