Mypal 68.13.8b supports processors without SSE2. I managed to run it on my Pentium III.
You can also try K-Meleon or an ia32 build of Basilisk.

RavenDan44 wrote on 2024-06-23, 02:17:

and does supermuim need chromium installed first?

No.

There's also Thorium.

https://github.com/Alex313031/thorium-legacy/releases

Norton Commander wrote on 2024-06-23, 11:28:

There's also Thorium.

https://github.com/Alex313031/thorium-legacy/releases

I'm only seeing builds for SSE2+ processors.

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

The modern webpages are so heavy that both my Raspberry Pi 4 and my Mac Pro 2006 are on their knees.
And latter is based on server hardware (2x Xeon CPUs)..

And and by this point, the lack of SSE 4.1 starts to become an issue to me, too.
That Mac runs XP Pro, but some VMs really want SSE 4.x by now.

So theres no chance of internet browsing on win98/winxp with older hardware before SSE2? well that sux

RavenDan44 wrote on 2024-06-24, 12:53:

So theres no chance of internet browsing on win98/winxp with older hardware before SSE2? well that sux

?? like they say before , kmeleon and mypal68 works

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-23, 19:33:

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

The modern webpages are so heavy that both my Raspberry Pi 4 and my Mac Pro 2006 are on their knees.
And latter is based on server hardware (2x Xeon CPUs)..

Web browsers got a lot better in the last decade. Chromium is quite usable on my Pentium 4 520, especially if one disables JavaScript, which isn't required for most Web pages. The fastest Athlon XPs shouldn't perform any worse.

GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-24, 13:42:

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-23, 19:33:

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

The modern webpages are so heavy that both my Raspberry Pi 4 and my Mac Pro 2006 are on their knees.
And latter is based on server hardware (2x Xeon CPUs)..

Web browsers got a lot better in the last decade. Chromium is quite usable on my Pentium 4 520, especially if one disables JavaScript, which isn't required for most Web pages. The fastest Athlon XPs shouldn't perform any worse.

And the webpages got a lot fatter in the last decade. They're barely usable anymore, especially if some ones disables JavaScript. 😉

Anyway, I think there's a copy of New Moon that requires plain SSE only, if at all. I think it's technically based off an 2021 Pale Moon, however.

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

Good luck! 😀 👍

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-24, 13:42:

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-23, 19:33:

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

The modern webpages are so heavy that both my Raspberry Pi 4 and my Mac Pro 2006 are on their knees.
And latter is based on server hardware (2x Xeon CPUs)..

Web browsers got a lot better in the last decade. Chromium is quite usable on my Pentium 4 520, especially if one disables JavaScript, which isn't required for most Web pages. The fastest Athlon XPs shouldn't perform any worse.

And the webpages got a lot fatter in the last decade. They're barely usable anymore, especially if some ones disables JavaScript. 😉

Anyway, I think there's a copy of New Moon that requires plain SSE only, if at all. I think it's technically based off an 2021 Pale Moon, however.

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

Good luck! 😀 👍

My main laptop is a C2D 1.6ghz, for me is OK, but lower than this, i think web browsing is not much confortable anymore, exept old sites.

Thanks i will check out kmeleon and New Moon asap

theelf wrote on 2024-06-25, 12:40:

My main laptop is a C2D 1.6ghz, for me is OK, but lower than this, i think web browsing is not much confortable anymore, exept old sites.

+1

My Windows XP Pro SP3 PC is a Mac Pro 2006 with 24GB of RAM and some kernal patches.
It runs rather well, but modern webpages cause high CPU usage.
But that's okay, it's mainly being used for MIDI softsynths, older hardware and emulators.
I'm happy that XP can still handle things, at all. ^^

Btw, there's also NeoCities. It's a revival attempt of GeoCities and the old internet.
The websites there are rather lightweight and can be visited by less powerful hardware.
Maybe worth trying out with these browsers here.

https://neocities.org/

RavenDan44 wrote on 2024-06-25, 14:23:

Thanks i will check out kmeleon and New Moon asap

Hi, I wish you good luck. I got the latest version running here, but I had to disable graphics acceleration in New Moon (in preferences).
Otherwise it did complain about a missing XPCOM.
The older release I had tried our before didn't need this.

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-23, 19:33:

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

If you ask for "making sense" then you should also question using XP, and old hardware in general.
It's convenient when you can just open a browser on your retro PC and download some driver or an update than to do it on modern PC and trasfer the data. every. single. time.

Also keep in mind that AMD was some 2-3 years behind Intel in the adoption of SSE and then SSE2 (cries in Barton 3000+)

Azarien wrote on 2024-06-28, 09:53:

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-23, 19:33:

Um, does it even make sense without SSE2/SSE3 anymore? 🤔

If you ask for "making sense" then you should also question using XP, and old hardware in general.

I do.

Windows XP is like a comfy old couch, I think. It's relaxing working with it. So it has a certain purpose.

I'm also using it as a host to run 64-Bit VMs and various emulators, softsynths (full DirectX drivers, not VSTIs) and various programming tools.

But web browsing really is a stretch. Even my Raspberry Pi 4 8GB is too weak to properly handle modern websites.

If I had to use a web browser, on XP, with SSE being taken away from me.. I don't know.
With SSE available, it's already borderline. Without it, the browser would be even weaker.

That's my concern. The complexity of modern websites.

_
Arachne on DOS would be fun to play with, too if it hadn't such limitations.:
- The official 8086 version is slowing down an 80286 PC due to lack of optimizations.
That's akin to using a non-SSE version of Pale Moon.
- Arachne doesn't do secure connections, which are a requirement for 90% of the websites on the internet. Even plain HTML pages.

We have WRP and WebOne proxies so as long as the sites you want to access work through those then should be good.

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-28, 11:30:

But web browsing really is a stretch. Even my Raspberry Pi 4 8GB is too weak to properly handle modern websites.

I thought the Pi was your daily driver.

GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-28, 15:36:

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-28, 11:30:

But web browsing really is a stretch. Even my Raspberry Pi 4 8GB is too weak to properly handle modern websites.

I thought the Pi was your daily driver.

It is. I've never said it was a great experience whatsoever. 🤷‍♂️

Originally, it was meant as an interim solution because both Windows XP and Windows 7 went EOL.

After this, I was pretty much left stranded. Windows 8.x and Windows 10 were against my principles and I still don't still support them.

Windows XP is still my main Windows, but I don't use it for anything critical.

No home banking or e-mail, for example. No eBay, either.
That's what I use the Raspberry Pi for, rather.
Or a Mac, if I have to.

I also don't leave Windows XP unattended in the internet for long.
When I don't use the PC, I do unplug the ethernet cable.

Strictly speaking, I'm almost committing a crime here, as far as my fellow citizens are concerned.

When XP went EOL, they argued that users who leave XP connected to the internet should be made financially responsible/liable for bot nets and other things. Hah.

Before my mental eye I can now see XP users being tared and feathered.. 😉

The mood was quite heated back then.
Remaining XP users were considered being eternal backwards, stubborn and foolish.:
Forum posts and comments below news sites of that time tell a story.

In retrospect, I can't even blame them.
At the time, good old XP really was the weakest system with highest market share.

It also ran everything as administrator, which isn't safe.
Windows Vista and 7 had UAC, at least, which would stop malware.

In some ways, I was acting not very different when Windows 98 users refused to switch to XP on their online rig.

It seemed foolish to me, too, because Windows 98 didn't have a basic firewall, even.
It was naked, swimming in an bay area filled with sharks.

Nowadays, I'm more relaxed here, because the remaining 98/XP users are nolonger ordinary citizens but advanced users.
They install old Windows on purpose and know the drawbacks.
These PCs don't contain sensible information anymore, either.

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-28, 15:36:

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-28, 11:30:

But web browsing really is a stretch. Even my Raspberry Pi 4 8GB is too weak to properly handle modern websites.

I thought the Pi was your daily driver.

It is. I've never said it was a great experience whatsoever. 🤷‍♂️

Originally, it was meant as an interim solution because both Windows XP and Windows 7 went EOL.

After this, I was pretty much left stranded. Windows 8.x and Windows 10 were against my principles and I still don't still support them.

Windows XP is still my main Windows, but I don't use it for anything critical.

No home banking or e-mail, for example. No eBay, either.
That's what I use the Raspberry Pi for, rather.
Or a Mac, if I have to.

I also don't leave Windows XP unattended in the internet for long.
When I don't use the PC, I do unplug the ethernet cable.

Strictly speaking, I'm almost committing a crime here, as far as my fellow citizens are concerned.

When XP went EOL, they argued that users who leave XP connected to the internet should be made financially responsible/liable for bot nets and other things. Hah.

Before my mental eye I can now see XP users being tared and feathered.. 😉

The mood was quite heated back then.
Remaining XP users were considered being eternal backwards, stubborn and foolish.:
Forum posts and comments below news sites of that time tell a story.

In retrospect, I can't even blame them.
At the time, good old XP really was the weakest system with highest market share.

It also ran everything as administrator, which isn't safe.
Windows Vista and 7 had UAC, at least, which would stop malware.

In some ways, I was acting not very different when Windows 98 users refused to switch to XP on their online rig.

It seemed foolish to me, too, because Windows 98 didn't have a basic firewall, even.
It was naked, swimming in an bay area filled with sharks.

Nowadays, I'm more relaxed here, because the remaining 98/XP users are nolonger ordinary citizens but advanced users.
They install old Windows on purpose and know the drawbacks.
These PCs don't contain sensible information anymore, either.

Some months ago, in a small company i do some works, a virus encript all files en all computers, exept one... the one was running XP because a old software

the company save all because in this XP machine was a copy of database, the only one was not encripted

My main os is XP and i do EVERYTING, bank, goverment stuff, etc i trust much more than almost any other os

What comes to mind right now:
It's possible to run older virtualizers such as Virtual PC 2007, VMware Player 2 or VirtualBox 2.x-4.x on XP/older PCs (no HW virtualization).

That way, Linux or Windows Vista/7/8.0 can be run still, which in turn do support slightly newer web browsers.

Windows 8.1 and higher will fail due to lack of SSE4 support and/or missing CMPXCHG16b instruction, unfortunately. The 64-Bit versions, at least.

So we're back to the original issue, lack of SSEx support. 🙁
(Unless we use a custom Linux build that doesn't require it.)

All in all, that's also reason why I think about swapping parts with a Mac Pro 2008 (model 3.1):

These newer Xeon processors did add support for SSE4 (but not necessarily SSE4.1; there's SSE4, SSE4a, SSE 4.1, SSE 4.2 ).

Edit: I forgot. Please be careful with new browsers build for XP.
They may contain newer system DLLs from ReactOS/WINE or Windows Vista+.

That alone isn't bad, but that way Windows XP gains software compatibility with current Windows applications - including current malware.

It's akin to have KernelEx on Windows 98SE installed, essentially.

There are also actual community project that implement modern APIs on Windows XP,
similar to the classic KernelEx.

I won't advertise them here, however.
Even though they likely work, these projects may cause stability issues and other problems.

The sole reason I mention this here is because some browsers require these walkarounds in order to still function.

Firefox had dropped XP support years ago for example,
so recent, custom built XP ports may need to use such tricks at one point.

Edit: Typo fixed.

There's a lot of talk for not mentioning the XP-aimed SSE-stripped version of Palemoon, that I hope is still out there maintained by somebody somewhere.