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First post, by DataDragons

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I recently use awe64 but when I purchased Roland sc-55 and use it
It was so much better than my awe64 and probably better than any sound card out there
Do u think there’s sound card in the world better than Roland SC-55 ?

Reply 1 of 18, by AppleSauce

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Some people prefer sound modules like the Yamaha MU80 and stuff but I reckon its down to personal preference which one someone would considered better.

Reply 2 of 18, by zuldan

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Roland SCB-55 if you wanted something more compact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-rAxjrLQyg

But to play all DOS games how they were supposed to be listened to you would probably need an MT-32, CM-32L and a SC-55.

Reply 3 of 18, by Joseph_Joestar

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DOS games will sound best on whatever device the composer originally used while creating the music. For most games from the early to mid 90s, that is indeed the SC-55. For older games, it's usually MT-32 or Adlib.

If you're interested in this, there's a fairly detailed list on the Vogons wiki. Look at the "Original Synth" column.

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Reply 4 of 18, by SuperDeadite

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Really depends. SC-55 excels at games made for GS and GM. But games that use LA or XG will sound terrible on it.

If we are sticking with basic GS/GM, SC-88 Pro is superior to the 55 in just about every way (unless you really need capital tone fallback).

For myself, depends on the game, but MU2000 + PLG150-DR always gives me a massive boner. 😀

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Reply 6 of 18, by SuperDeadite

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DataDragons wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:32:
zuldan wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:24:

Roland SCB-55 if you wanted something more compact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-rAxjrLQyg

But to play all DOS games how they were supposed to be listened to you would probably need an MT-32, CM-32L and a SC-55.

I heard sc-55 can change into MT-32 mode

Not really, it just remaps the instruments to match MT-32 defaults. It's useless for any game that uses custom instruments.

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Reply 7 of 18, by DataDragons

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:29:

DOS games will sound best on whatever device the composer originally used while creating the music. For most games from the early to mid 90s, that is indeed the SC-55. For older games, it's usually MT-32 or Adlib.

If you're interested in this, there's a fairly detailed list on the Vogons wiki. Look at the "Original Synth" column.

Wow thx a lot for information there are a lot of games that composer on MT-32
I hope my sc-55 can perform well on these games!

Reply 8 of 18, by Joseph_Joestar

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DataDragons wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:45:

Wow thx a lot for information there are a lot of games that composer on MT-32
I hope my sc-55 can perform well on these games!

It won't.

See what was written earlier about custom instruments.

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Reply 9 of 18, by DataDragons

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SuperDeadite wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:34:
DataDragons wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:32:
zuldan wrote on 2024-07-02, 10:24:

Roland SCB-55 if you wanted something more compact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-rAxjrLQyg

But to play all DOS games how they were supposed to be listened to you would probably need an MT-32, CM-32L and a SC-55.

I heard sc-55 can change into MT-32 mode

Not really, it just remaps the instruments to match MT-32 defaults. It's useless for any game that uses custom instruments.

Yeah. I heard it was emulation but how was quality of sound is it close to real mt-32?

Reply 10 of 18, by zuldan

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It doesn’t sound like a real MT-32. I’m not really a fan of how it sounds.

I would do some research. Midi is a deep rabbit hole. Here is a good video from Phil showing why you need so many different devices for early DOS games. https://youtu.be/OLvsaJ4h-VY

Reply 11 of 18, by appiah4

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My MT32-Pi with Fluidsynth has replaced pretty much every single other MIDI device I own.

I keep my other MIDI devices because I'm a hoarder and I love tinkering with and comparing them against each other. Other than this, they serve very little purpose for me anymore.

That said, I'd rate the MU080 higher than the SC-55 personally.

Reply 12 of 18, by BloodyCactus

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personally i love my emu soundengines over sc55 but GM is GM is GM so.... its like going to the paint store, looking for blue and seeing 1000 different shades.

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Reply 13 of 18, by appiah4

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BloodyCactus wrote on 2024-07-02, 17:05:

personally i love my emu soundengines over sc55 but GM is GM is GM so.... its like going to the paint store, looking for blue and seeing 1000 different shades.

Oh man don't go there, pigment nerds are quite something else..

Reply 14 of 18, by BitWrangler

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BloodyCactus wrote on 2024-07-02, 17:05:

personally i love my emu soundengines over sc55 but GM is GM is GM so.... its like going to the paint store, looking for blue and seeing 1000 different shades.

Tell me about SoundEngines, the prices look a lot better than SC these days. Can you upload a patch set to make them sound right on Roland stuff too? I know basically nothing, am in the "kinda want some kinda module for some kinda GM kinda stuff" frame of mind at the minute.

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Reply 15 of 18, by Shponglefan

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-08-06, 14:18:
BloodyCactus wrote on 2024-07-02, 17:05:

personally i love my emu soundengines over sc55 but GM is GM is GM so.... its like going to the paint store, looking for blue and seeing 1000 different shades.

Tell me about SoundEngines, the prices look a lot better than SC these days.

Where are you seeing these for sale? I've been hunting for a Sound Engine module for years and I don't think I've ever seen any come up.

Last listing I can find was from 6 years ago on Reverb.com.

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Reply 16 of 18, by BitWrangler

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Local musos seem to be dumping them around here, I know they're not showing up on the bigger sites.

Edit: I think some uncommon stuff when there's no sales to refer to on eBay, it makes ppl think one of two ways, i) It's worthless, I'll use a low effort local platform hope some sucker bites. ii) It's super mega rare I'll list it on eBay for $2000. ... ... If #2 happens then at least it tends to pull some others out of the woodwork, which might list a bit high at first, but then finds a bottom and stabilises.

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Reply 17 of 18, by ux-3

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appiah4 wrote on 2024-07-02, 14:49:

My MT32-Pi with Fluidsynth has replaced pretty much every single other MIDI device I own.

What is it?

Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

Reply 18 of 18, by appiah4

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ux-3 wrote on 2024-08-06, 16:58:
appiah4 wrote on 2024-07-02, 14:49:

My MT32-Pi with Fluidsynth has replaced pretty much every single other MIDI device I own.

What is it?

It's a raspberry pi with special software but that's not important right now.

(I couldn't help myself..)