Imperious wrote:

Will be interesting to see what results You get when moving up to PCI cards in this series.
I just got 31.5 FPS in Doom with Intel dx2-66, S3 trio 64 2MB, 64MB edo ram. Sound on.

My first PC was a VLB (Cirrus 5428 1MB) equipped 486 with Intel dx2-66 and this is noticeably faster than I remember that being.

Yeah, you generally don't see DX2-66s getting faster than the high 20s in Doom. My DX2-66 with VLB CL-GD5428 gets a little over 24 with default BIOS timings, and a little over 27 with all BIOS timings maxed out.

I just checked Phil's VGA database. There are 29 DX2-66 results (14 AMD, 15 Intel) and the top-2 are 29.3 (Intel/S3 Trio64 VLB) and 28.5 (AMD/S3 Trio+ PCI). Out of the top-10 results, five use VLB, five PCI. The graphics chips are:
1. S3 Trio64 VLB
2. S3 Trio64 V+ PCI
3. MGA2064W PCI
4. S3 Trio64 V+ PCI
5. S3 Virge 3D/DX PCI
6. Tseng ET4000/W32p VLB
7. CL-GD5428 VLB
8. CL-GD5428 integrated VLB
9. Tseng ET4000AX VLB
10. Tseng ET6000 PCI

You should add your results, you're definitely in good company. 😀

Interesting to see the faster cards clocking in at around 25fps in Doom. Many years ago I was shocked that an old 486/66 + VLB, which was a gift from a friend, was running Doom I at only 27.xx fps. I think I was fiddling around with the bios and a second gfx for hours on end, because I had the presumption that a fast/er 486 would at least push a fps count in the low 30ies.
Well, that settles it I guess.
I often wonder if at least one of the 486s which were used during Doom's devlopment do still exist... that would be a juicy vintage steak.

Very hard to compare with other systems unless everything is identical. The 486's performance vary greatly between chipsets, motherboards, BIOS settings and most importantly memory timings.

I spent alot of time trying to find a PCI Pentium system that matched my Pentium Overdrive Socket3 VLB system. I used several different benchmarks and used different hardware and BIOS settings to match the results as good as it could be done.

what can you say about this card and its speed?

https://theretroweb.com/expansioncards/s/spea-v7-mirage-isa

Apollonios wrote on 2024-07-18, 15:29:

what can you say about this card and its speed?

https://theretroweb.com/expansioncards/s/spea-v7-mirage-isa

Go to Google Books, search for S3 801, and look through the old PC Magazine issues.

swaaye wrote on 2024-07-18, 15:49:

Apollonios wrote on 2024-07-18, 15:29:

what can you say about this card and its speed?

https://theretroweb.com/expansioncards/s/spea-v7-mirage-isa

Go to Google Books, search for S3 801, and look through the old PC Magazine issues.

That's a good way.

This place has a lot of stuff: https://vgamuseum.info/index.php/benchmarks
Unfortunately they don't have an S3 801

Someone in this thread says the S3 801 ISA is in the same grouping as the faster ISA cards, ET4000 and the Mach32: Best isa gpu? [solved]

And Phil did this sheet a few years back if you want some raw data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lvF9n … dit?gid=0#gid=0
There is an 801 benchmarked there on a 386-40

Edit:

Dos Days has this to say: https://www.dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturer … deo7.php#Mirage

as an ISA graphics card it was one of the fastest performing you could buy (even better than the ET4000AX).