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First post, by shish_KEbOB

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Hello, I have an IBM P260 crt screen I'm running at 1600*1200 85Hz but the image isn't perfectly sharp.
I can't use the DVI because my video card is limited to 60HZ on that output and the screen has no presets on 60Hz apart from 640*480.

I'm looking for a VGA cable that can handle such resolution perfectly, can anyone point me out one available in Europe?
I live in Italy so I can't order from monoprice (like another forum user suggested) without paying 30$ shipping on a 3$ cable.
Oh and I need the 9th pin. (or at least it seems like it from the manual).

Is there a recommended site for this that ships in Europe with decent fees?
What should I specifically look for to recognize a good cable?

Reply 3 of 15, by d1stortion

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I guess it's not sharp because the closer you get to a CRT's limits, the blurrier the image becomes?

If you have a VGA cable with standard thickness (0.35" diameter I believe) and ferrite cores, not one of the thinner versions, this is probably about as good as it gets.

Reply 4 of 15, by shish_KEbOB

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Nope no BNC, only DVI-I and d-sub.
I'm not 100% sure the video card is the problem with DVI, since reading other (more recent) card's manuals I don't see 1600*1200 @ 85Hz supported through DVI either.
I can see the pc detects the P260 if I connect a second screen, but I can't get it to display any image on it, no matter the resolution.
Shouldn't it simply revert to 1280*1024 instead of saying "no input"?
I would think the DVI port on the monitor is broken, but still the fact it gets detected seems weird.

Last edited by shish_KEbOB on 2014-04-25, 19:36. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 6 of 15, by Logistics

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Check the wire gauge on the jacket, does it say? IIRC, 24-gauge is common on svga cables, but I've found 22-gauge, before. Also, you can use a shorter cable. Professional monitors often came with 3-foot cables. Places like bluejeancable can custom make you a cable, too.

Reply 7 of 15, by obobskivich

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+1 to being pretty close to the limit; IME on 19-22" monitors 1600x1200 and higher are usually only useful for video or graphics. Text and such is usually better served by 1280x960 (1280x1024 is not 4:3) or one of the "weird" tweener resolutions like 1440x1050.

As far as the DVI - it may be a digital connection, it may be an analog connection; what does the specific plug look like? See here for various examples of plugs: http://www.playtool.com/pages/dvicompat/dvi.html (there are CRTs throughout history that have both; some include the DAC to take DVI-D, some just take the analog component of DVI-I; if your computer's port is DVI-D only you cannot physically plug DVI-I/DVI-A into it (it's keyed to prevent this from happening)).

As far as hooking it up to a graphics card - a single-link connector will not do 85Hz, but dual-link DVI would be no problem, assuming it's actually a digital connection, and assuming the monitor can actually handle dual-link. What graphics card are you using? I know nVidia and ATi cards under their drivers can have "custom timings" setup which can help compatibility, if I remember right later 3DLabs, Matrox, and XGI cards can support this either through drivers, additional software from the manufacturer, or third party applications (like rivatuner); I don't know about S3, 3dfx, etc.

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If we're suspecting the cable is bad/causing problems, does moving it or re-routing it change anything?

Reply 8 of 15, by bestemor

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Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151054683345

"Overseas: Please email us for a quote (available on smaller items only.)"

They have a full set of 3x5 pins. Very thick suckers... (good shielding)

Normally any good cables omits the 'barrels'(ferrite beads?).

Reply 9 of 15, by shish_KEbOB

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Card is a Gainward gtx560ti, both that and the screen have a DVI-I connector, I'm using a dual link DVI-I cable.
Card manual actually lists the pin-out only for the digital pins, but says the port is DVI-I.
Probably I have to find DVI-A cable, I'll mess around with the driver in the meanwhile.

The VGA cable I'm using now is actually the one that came with my lcd display ^^
It's better than the SVGA cable I specifically got for this monitor at the local store, probably just because it's shorter.
Doesn't seem to show wire gauge, I'll look better tomorrow with daylight.

Oh I use this for games 😀

Reply 11 of 15, by shish_KEbOB

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NJRoadfan wrote:

Have you tried the resolutions via DVI to see if they work or not?

Yes, as I said I tried many different resolutions through DVI and none work.

I also tried making a custom resolution with reduced blanking interval, no go.

On a second thought, if 85hz requires a dual link, then DVI-A is probably useless.

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Awesome! Waiting for an answer. Btw isn't 3m a bit long? Or is it no problem for a CL3?

Reply 12 of 15, by Holering

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Cheap way to get monster quality BNC. Use RG6 coaxial cable with f-type plugs. Most people in U.S. with cable television or broadband internet have a ton of these and usually for free or just pennies (look up coaxial cable). It's shielded (sometimes double or quad shielded) and really thick gauge; weather resistant if you find something greater than rg6. You have to buy two f-type to bnc couplers for each cable (female or male coupler depending on your setup; usually f-type coaxial uses male f-type on both ends); these range anywhere from, $0.50 to $1.00 a piece on ebay. Just make sure the cable isn't bent or knackered in any way; and you probably don't want one beyond 6 feet unless you want to fill your walls with BNC jacks haha. Don't bend them with force either. You'll have something like a $400.00+ cable set no joke (use f-type to bnc or phono jacks myself with RG6 for laserdisc players and audio stuff).

Reply 13 of 15, by Logistics

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Honestly, when dealing with video signals that are hard to push, proper cable construction is going to be critical. You need a professional-grade cable that is tested and for SURE keeps the impedance at 75-Ohm. Otherwise you end up with signal loss which degrades the picture.

Reply 14 of 15, by biessea

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shish_KEbOB wrote on 2014-04-26, 09:07:
Yes, as I said I tried many different resolutions through DVI and none work. […]
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NJRoadfan wrote:

Have you tried the resolutions via DVI to see if they work or not?

Yes, as I said I tried many different resolutions through DVI and none work.

I also tried making a custom resolution with reduced blanking interval, no go.

On a second thought, if 85hz requires a dual link, then DVI-A is probably useless.

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Awesome! Waiting for an answer. Btw isn't 3m a bit long? Or is it no problem for a CL3?

Old thread I see. Anyway I am having the same issue with my powerful p260 IBM.

If I connect the dvi-i cable and select second input, the monitor remain in stand by. I changed the cable with another DVI cable and the problem remains.

I don't know, it seems the second input is broken. Or this is what I thought until I read this italian user (like me) that have this problem.

Perhaps he found a solution? I wanted to see if the image will be better using the second input, anyway I found a nice thik VGA cable and the image is nice with 1600x1200@85hz!

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Reply 15 of 15, by Ryccardo

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I've seen some Scart haters criticize it because, just by looking at a socket, you can't tell which features it supports, which IMO is a reasonable opinion even though it's much better than having to rip pins out of a cable to make it fit…

...and yep, same case, this monitor is DVI-A, just with a DVI-I socket because close to 0 commercial DVI-A cables exist→ https://www.manualslib.com/manual/557842/Ibm- … 60.html?page=12 😀

Arguably, the DVI-I cable should not exist:
as a digital cable it doesn't fit DVI-D sockets,
as an analog cable it's only better than using a VGA cable with 2 adapters (and almost always you have a VGA socket on at least one side),
and even if both source and monitor are dual mode there's only a single I2C bus, meaning only one EDID that's supposed to say if the monitor is analog or digital 😀

And yes, even if you had a real digital input, they can fail - ask my Fujitsu E19-5, which started more and more often "syncing" to completely random noise as video signal was applied, then completely stopped accepting DVI input… and to say I spent almost 20 € on a DVI-I cable I had to rip various pins out to make it fit 😁