You are looking for a JAE-IDE adaptor

Errius wrote on 2023-05-03, 17:39:

You are looking for a JAE-IDE adaptor

Him thanks, but JAE is not the slim CD addapter?

My problem is the 50 pin cable, jae to normal IDE40 i already have, but the connector in motherboard have 50 pin

OK I see, I didn't know such a thing existed.

https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/50-pin- … buy-one.659701/

Intel's D810EMO uses a 50 pin IDE connector for the secondary IDE channel, although they provide a cable.

theelf wrote on 2023-05-03, 17:26:

Hi, i need help with a 50 pin IDE connector, im really lost where to find a cable, connector, becase i need to connect a slim cdrom. I search in ebay, aliexpress, etcetc

any advice is welcome, thanks!!!

Well, that's a strange connector. It says "40" right next to it, but it has 50 pins. As it is called "IDE2", there likely is an IDE1 connector too, possibly the one right below it. If that one is a 40-pin connector, you can use a continuity tester to find the standard IDE pins. Likely most pins except /CS1 and /CS2 are connected between IDE1 and IDE2. The remaining pins might be power pins. You can run a continuity test to the power supply connector to find out.

is this like a scsi 50 pin connector but with a smaller pitch ?
I've got one in my digital multia.
I tried to find a replacement, just in case, though haven't had any luck so far.

Take a look at this: https://www.elecbee.com/en-3338-2mm-pitch-2x2 … PxoC5TgQAvD_BwE
and here: https://www.sealevel.com/product/ca309-50-pin … e-22-in-length/ or here: https://www.amazon.com/Uxcell-a16031600ux0787 … 83152996&sr=8-3. You would have to make the adapter yourself thou (just to be clear).

Hey I recognise that board 😀 I have the same connector in this DigiPOS computer - this is on the riser that attaches to the mainboard with a PCISA connector.

I've derived pinouts for a couple of other devices and since I have this one to hand here's what I've found - I think it's basically 44-pin IDE shifted over. All entries with text are verified connections and the ??? ones are ones I'm not interested in verifying yet.
The riser PCB seems to be 4 layer with 5v and GND on the inner layers. Signal traces for this IDE connector only route on the back-side of the PCB since the floppy drive connections route through this connector on the top-side.

The extra pins just seem to be extra grounds and I can't see the remaining ones routing anywhere so the ones not connected to GND are probably N/C as they're not 5v.

It should be safe to buy a "Slim CD to 44pin IDE Adapter" and a 44-pin 2mm pitch cable. Either break off the tab on the socket or cut off the tab on the connector, so that you can fit the 44-pin IDE cable shifted off to the side so that pin 1 on the connector goes into pin 1 on the socket - I can confirm that pin1 on the socket is located by the silkscreening for "U1" at the bottom left of the socket.
Then the CD-audio can be run from the slim-cd adapter into the soundcard.
It should work, but I don't have the parts to test it and my DigiPOS isn't really operable right now, but now that the 5v and gnd pins are confirmed it should be safe to go ahead and test 😀

I have two motherboards from an Intel DOT station 2300 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sx26Yxt_r8) aka "pakito" M0810e that seems to be derived from the aforementioned D810EMO.
I have one of these DOT stations, but I never tried to add the IDE CD-ROM to it, it seems that it is possible to do it using the standard IDE connection configuring the drives as cable select.
This old page is in Spanish, but with the photographs it explains a lot. https://web.archive.org/web/20040608061458/ht … dide/hdide.html
For a Slim CD-ROM I've seen another mod using an adapter like this one (https://www.startech.com/en-eu/hdd/opt2ide), but I can't find it now.

I am so sorry for the necro post, but I have some information the I believe is relevant to this very post, and that I've recently have personally being investigating, because I also have an Intel Dot Station 2300 (from now on will be refered as "Paquito") that I've bought from Spain last month. I've already made some mods on it (BIOS FLASH to enable any OS, better CPU with a resistor mod to enable FSB100 and more), and I am currently starting to document all the mods to make a post of my own, and in the process of 3D printing some pieces for some more mods on it...

Regarding the IDE2 50 PIN connector, the extra pins on the 50 PIN connector are the following:

Pin - Signal Name
1 - Aud_LCR_R
2 - Aud_RCR_R
3 - Aud_CDGND_R
4 - Aud_CDGND_R
5 - Not Connected
6 - Not Connected
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
47 - VCC (5V)
48 - VCC (5V)
49 - GROUND
50 - GROUND

To crimp the IDE 40 PIN cable on the 50 PIN connector, we have to ignore the first 6 pins on the 50 PIN connector, meaning that the number 1 wire on the 40 PIN cable (usually collored different from the other 39 PIN on the ribbon cable) must be placed at the number 7 PIN on the connector.
If everything went right crimping the cable, the last 4 PIN will be left open, also.

Extra info: The first 4 PINS on the 50 pin connector are for ANALOG CD AUDIO IN. I have yet to confirm if the GROUNDS are common on a CD-ROM drive, but I believe they must be. I will crimp a 40 PIN female conector to a 50 PIN connector and together with a cable for an external 3.5mm female audio jack to my "Paquito", both of them will be accessible from the outside of the computer.
Finally, the last 4 PIN on the 50 PIN connector are for powering an SLIM IDE OPTICAL DRIVE, that being 5 VOLT and GROUND, that I will not be using.

This info is valid for the INTEL DOT STATION 2300 / Intel Desktop Board MO810e (that is a variant of the Intel Desktop Board D810EMO/MO810E and I believe therefor the same in this matter)

I have extrapolated this information from the Intel Desktop Board D810EMO/MO810E motherboard Manual/Technical Product Specification and from the VEGAZONE forum archive dedicated to the "El Paquito". Links bellow.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/intel- … ntel-dot-s#docs
https://web.archive.org/web/20041230165018/ht … hp?id=3&t_id=54

NiPPonD3nZ0 wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:10:

I am so sorry for the necro post, but I have some information the I believe is relevant to this very post, and that I've recentl […]
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I am so sorry for the necro post, but I have some information the I believe is relevant to this very post, and that I've recently have personally being investigating, because I also have an Intel Dot Station 2300 (from now on will be refered as "Paquito") that I've bought from Spain last month. I've already made some mods on it (BIOS FLASH to enable any OS, better CPU with a resistor mod to enable FSB100 and more), and I am currently starting to document all the mods to make a post of my own, and in the process of 3D printing some pieces for some more mods on it...

Regarding the IDE2 50 PIN connector, the extra pins on the 50 PIN connector are the following:

Pin - Signal Name
1 - Aud_LCR_R
2 - Aud_RCR_R
3 - Aud_CDGND_R
4 - Aud_CDGND_R
5 - Not Connected
6 - Not Connected
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
47 - VCC (5V)
48 - VCC (5V)
49 - GROUND
50 - GROUND

To crimp the IDE 40 PIN cable on the 50 PIN connector, we have to ignore the first 6 pins on the 50 PIN connector, meaning that the number 1 wire on the 40 PIN cable (usually collored different from the other 39 PIN on the ribbon cable) must be placed at the number 7 PIN on the connector.
If everything went right crimping the cable, the last 4 PIN will be left open, also.

Extra info: The first 4 PINS on the 50 pin connector are for ANALOG CD AUDIO IN. I have yet to confirm if the GROUNDS are common on a CD-ROM drive, but I believe they must be. I will crimp a 40 PIN female conector to a 50 PIN connector and together with a cable for an external 3.5mm female audio jack to my "Paquito", both of them will be accessible from the outside of the computer.
Finally, the last 4 PIN on the 50 PIN connector are for powering an SLIM IDE OPTICAL DRIVE, that being 5 VOLT and GROUND, that I will not be using.

This info is valid for the INTEL DOT STATION 2300 / Intel Desktop Board MO810e (that is a variant of the Intel Desktop Board D810EMO/MO810E and I believe therefor the same in this matter)

I have extrapolated this information from the Intel Desktop Board D810EMO/MO810E motherboard Manual/Technical Product Specification and from the VEGAZONE forum archive dedicated to the "El Paquito". Links bellow.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/intel- … ntel-dot-s#docs
https://web.archive.org/web/20041230165018/ht … hp?id=3&t_id=54

Thanks for the information, maybe someday I will spend some time with the Pakito, the lack of optical drive is the only flaw I see. I did not put a more powerful processor than that Celeron because with the integrated graphic does not need more. Although with Win98 it proved to be very capable and more compatible than I thought at first.

Yes, the Intel i810 is quite weak... I've upgraded mine to a Celeron 1000 and to 256 MB RAM (this bast**d is picky with RAM). Also in the plans is to replace the modem with a VooDoo 2, change the VGA connector to be accessible from the outside (to connect to the VooDoo 2. ). The 14" CRT is perfect for the 640*480 or 800*600 that the VooDoo 2 is perfect for and a Celeron 1000, I believe, will not be a bottleneck for it. I could make it work with a Pentium 3 866 @ FSB 100 (650MHz effective) but I dont think a 650MHz Pentium III would be much different from a 1000MHz Celeron... Also have in the works a 3D printed cover that will replace the telephone holder on top of the machine and on it will live the 4th USB port, left unused from the factory... Still unsure how to go about the VooDoo 2 add on. Pretty sure I will only open the VGA ports on the chassis, and not butch the whole back of the chassis to add it... Its still all in my head for the moment. The only thing I've spent money on was the 50 PIN connector for the motherboard and a 40 PIN connector with tabs that will live under the machine to connect an optical Drive or another HDD... Or a zip Drive... If its ATA compatible I wanna try it 😀 . My first idea was to mod the VooDoo 2 and connect the card internally to the onboard VGA, but I quit on that idea very fast... Not worth it to ruin a V2 for this...

I just dusted it off a bit, it has a Celeron 850; and I tried several games and I don't find the integrated graphics too bad for the games I would play on that computer, GLQuake, Quake II as well and Unreal run smoothly.
It passes the FFVIII 8-bit texture test and I also tested NFS3 and no problems.

My Paquito came with a 300MHz Celeron (replaced with the afforementioned Celeron 1GHz), a 10GB HDD (Replaced with a 40GB Samsung Slim IDE Drive) and 64MB of RAM (Replaced with 256MB)... So your Paquito was already upgraded 😀

NiPPonD3nZ0 wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:10:

and I am currently starting to document all the mods to make a post of my own, and in the process of 3D printing some pieces for some more mods on it...

That would be amazing if we could have a place to share all this information about Paquitos! 😀 Great idea

It seems most of the info (both Vegazone forum and Xente Mundo-R page) are now down. It would be a shame if all this info gets lost, as well as the bios image and the Linux distro that allowed to unlock it.

I'm also a fan of these systems and the hype they created back then among the DIY scene haha.

I don't have a full Paquito now, but I still have its little board upgraded to Pentium III 1Ghz (100FSB with resistor mod), 256MB, Geforce 6200 PCI with HDMI adapter... I have to confess that is one of the retro systems I use the most now, connected to flat TV, due to the small size haha.

Also planning to build a wooden case with a pico psu and a Sd to IDE adapter to finish this crazy project 😀

Nice to see more Paquito owners around here!

I have lost my home Office (I have a 2 year old that needed a room) and now I barely have room for my main rig, and can only have 1 retro machine... If all goes right, the Paquito will be it! I have a eMachines eTower that has roughly the same specs, but the advantage of dual VooDoo 2 in SLI. And optical and floppy drive integrated, but I have no room for a extra CRT and a Tower PC. So I will have to get by with the Paquito. One advantage of the 'quito over the eTower is the sound card. The Crystal sound chip in the eMachines does not have DOS drivers, and the Creative AudioPCI128 onboard of the Paquito have them... One anoying thing on the eMachines is that the onBoard sound card cannot be disabled... You have a setting that supposedly does that via a switch on the board, but it does nothing... I wanted to get a SB Live on it but it wreaks havok with conflicts so I settled for the onboard stuff, and even kept it with the original Windows ME recovery... If I could get another sound card in it, it would be a 98 SE machine for sure. Will begin working on the build and log the progress on the Paquito Next week, hopefully.

The modded BIOS image is avaiable at The Retro Web page and at least the Vegazone forum is safe (for the time being) at the Archive.org page... The web archive is a great and use full project and I must ask for all of you that can to throw a couple bucks and Euro's to them ... I try to do it a couple times a year...