Shponglefan wrote on 2024-08-10, 17:04:

a 4600 Ti should be faster, but it depends on what games one is using it with.

If used in a Windows 98 build, the extra performance with a 4600 Ti will be largely irrelevant.

debs3759 wrote on 2024-08-10, 17:01:

If I had to choose, I'd have the 4600Ti. More power is always good 😀 Having both (or everything!) appealed to the hoarder in me for a long time though (my collection barely fits in my small bungalow!)

Thanks for the info guys. I might just pick it for the sake of it .. at €15 can't really go wrong.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-10, 18:18:

I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards lol it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great. […]
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I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards 🤣 it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great.

I bought this beautiful (and way to expensive) Ti 4680XP thinking it was a Ti 4800 with a weird name... Turns out it was a 4200 Turbo card which is actually kinda interesting in its own way.

It needs more testing though as It did get some artifacting after a long testing session. Might be bad drivers though because it only happened on specific textures/scenes.

Those cards were interesting back in the day. The PCB is arranged like a reference Ti4600, but it's a Ti4200. Are you able to overclock to Ti4600 speeds?

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-10, 18:18:

I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards 🤣 it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great.

And now you understand why Goodwills are filled to the brim with garbage tchotchkes 😀

smtkr wrote on 2024-08-11, 02:29:

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-10, 18:18:

I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards lol it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great. […]
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I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards 🤣 it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great.

I bought this beautiful (and way to expensive) Ti 4680XP thinking it was a Ti 4800 with a weird name... Turns out it was a 4200 Turbo card which is actually kinda interesting in its own way.

It needs more testing though as It did get some artifacting after a long testing session. Might be bad drivers though because it only happened on specific textures/scenes.

Those cards were interesting back in the day. The PCB is arranged like a reference Ti4600, but it's a Ti4200. Are you able to overclock to Ti4600 speeds?

If its a 64mb then it should get very close to Ti4400 speeds on both core and memory. The 128Mb Ti4200 cards usually used cheap slow memory ICs to hit that 128Mb capacity and so cant overclock memory as good but the core should still OC as well as the 64mb models. Ti4600 speeds are quite a jump but it may be possible on certain 64Mb models that have fast memory ICs and a good GPU core but I wouldnt expect it to be stable OC or even a common one for most Ti4200s.

Its worth making sure you have good case cooling if you are going to OC these cards, they all used that terrible thermal epoxy to glue the heat sink to the GPU die and after all these years it may not be fully up to the task of cooling an OCed GPU.

Personally I feel there isnt a lot of reason to overclock the Geforce 4 cards as even the Ti4200 is overkill for games from that era and you run the risk of killing a valuable vintage part, it would be cheaper to just grab a Radeon 9600XT or 9800XT if you wanted something more powerful. 9600XTs are cheap as chips and all of them overclock like demons, they also have far better cooling and temperature monitoring.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-08-11, 03:07:

If its a 64mb then it should get very close to Ti4400 speeds on both core and memory. The 128Mb Ti4200 cards usually used cheap […]
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smtkr wrote on 2024-08-11, 02:29:

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-10, 18:18:

I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards lol it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great. […]
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I have a huge problem buying GeForce 4 Cards 🤣 it's a sickness. 15$ for a nice Ti4200 is great.

I bought this beautiful (and way to expensive) Ti 4680XP thinking it was a Ti 4800 with a weird name... Turns out it was a 4200 Turbo card which is actually kinda interesting in its own way.

It needs more testing though as It did get some artifacting after a long testing session. Might be bad drivers though because it only happened on specific textures/scenes.

Those cards were interesting back in the day. The PCB is arranged like a reference Ti4600, but it's a Ti4200. Are you able to overclock to Ti4600 speeds?

If its a 64mb then it should get very close to Ti4400 speeds on both core and memory. The 128Mb Ti4200 cards usually used cheap slow memory ICs to hit that 128Mb capacity and so cant overclock memory as good but the core should still OC as well as the 64mb models. Ti4600 speeds are quite a jump but it may be possible on certain 64Mb models that have fast memory ICs and a good GPU core but I wouldnt expect it to be stable OC or even a common one for most Ti4200s.

Its worth making sure you have good case cooling if you are going to OC these cards, they all used that terrible thermal epoxy to glue the heat sink to the GPU die and after all these years it may not be fully up to the task of cooling an OCed GPU.

Personally I feel there isnt a lot of reason to overclock the Geforce 4 cards as even the Ti4200 is overkill for games from that era and you run the risk of killing a valuable vintage part, it would be cheaper to just grab a Radeon 9600XT or 9800XT if you wanted something more powerful. 9600XTs are cheap as chips and all of them overclock like demons, they also have far better cooling and temperature monitoring.

Because this is a special Turbo model. Even though it's a Ti 4200 It has 3.3ns Ram @128MB Instead of 3.5 or 4ns, better ram than that of even a stock Ti4400. The ram should reach or pass stock 4600 speeds unless I get really bad luck.
The core oc ability is a little more unknown, but it is the NV28 A2 Rev so I should half room to run!

also because it's the turbo model fortunately it used thermal grease, so I easily added some fresh artic silver. That thermal epoxy stuff is a nightmare.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-11, 06:56:

Because this is a special Turbo model. Even though it's a Ti 4200 It has 3.3ns Ram @128MB Instead of 3.5 or 4ns, better ram than […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-08-11, 03:07:

If its a 64mb then it should get very close to Ti4400 speeds on both core and memory. The 128Mb Ti4200 cards usually used cheap […]
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smtkr wrote on 2024-08-11, 02:29:

Those cards were interesting back in the day. The PCB is arranged like a reference Ti4600, but it's a Ti4200. Are you able to overclock to Ti4600 speeds?

If its a 64mb then it should get very close to Ti4400 speeds on both core and memory. The 128Mb Ti4200 cards usually used cheap slow memory ICs to hit that 128Mb capacity and so cant overclock memory as good but the core should still OC as well as the 64mb models. Ti4600 speeds are quite a jump but it may be possible on certain 64Mb models that have fast memory ICs and a good GPU core but I wouldnt expect it to be stable OC or even a common one for most Ti4200s.

Its worth making sure you have good case cooling if you are going to OC these cards, they all used that terrible thermal epoxy to glue the heat sink to the GPU die and after all these years it may not be fully up to the task of cooling an OCed GPU.

Personally I feel there isnt a lot of reason to overclock the Geforce 4 cards as even the Ti4200 is overkill for games from that era and you run the risk of killing a valuable vintage part, it would be cheaper to just grab a Radeon 9600XT or 9800XT if you wanted something more powerful. 9600XTs are cheap as chips and all of them overclock like demons, they also have far better cooling and temperature monitoring.

Because this is a special Turbo model. Even though it's a Ti 4200 It has 3.3ns Ram @128MB Instead of 3.5 or 4ns, better ram than that of even a stock Ti4400. The ram should reach or pass stock 4600 speeds unless I get really bad luck.
The core oc ability is a little more unknown, but it is the NV28 A2 Rev so I should half room to run!

also because it's the turbo model fortunately it used thermal grease, so I easily added some fresh artic silver. That thermal epoxy stuff is a nightmare.

Bump it in 5Mhz increments till it starts to get artefacts then back it off 5Mhz and that's as good as itll get, again not sure if you will get stable 4600 speeds even with the card you have but its worth trying for with that card. Question .. does it have AGP 8x ?

Usually what stops it is the Vbios not having the higher voltage strapping and timings for the faster 4600 speeds, but the 3.3ns memory will certainly help !

About GF4 ti 4200.
Actually in my use case with main goal to have good Win98 speed and robust DOS compatibility overclocking GF4 Ti 4200 in's really most important aspect.
With Intel BX/P3 Tualatin platform GF4 series is only option since ATI contemporaries are failing miserably on fast AGP FSB speeds. GF5 is DX9/XP generation already.
Yes Gf4 ti 4600 is better, but not worth the price. Also my only MSI GF4 4600 I got 5 years or so ago failed on me few years back with classic "snow" effect because of failing BGA memory chips. Perhaps 1st gen small package BGA implementation isn't mature enough. My non scientific conclusion that is 😀

In terms of overclock, I have small collection of 64MB Ti 4200-s now and all of them can reach ti 4400 core/mem stock speeds. Including the ones with 4ns memory chips.

Probably early gen unleaded solder.

A reball might fix them

nfraser01 wrote on 2024-08-08, 19:48:

Law212 wrote on 2024-08-06, 17:04:

This one is a Toshiba Tcra 550cdt. Missing the battery, but looking it up it has a Pentium 1 266 , with 16 megs of ram. It also has a 4MB S3 virge /MX 3D and does open GL and direct 3D. So looking forward to messing around with this one.

Don't forget to take out the leaking batteries that lurk within - there's a CMOS one and a "battry change backup" one. Love those Tecras though 😀

I'll make sure to do that, thanks! Do you know if I will be able to find a batter for the tecra? I cant wait to have some time to tinker with it. I bought some replacement nubs for the keyboard, I need to clean the thing, and open it up to check it. For all I know the monitor wont work, but I have been very lucky with laptops in the past.

Picked up a NOS Asus A7m266 and a NOS Athlon XP2000+ in full retail pack with heatsink. So I've gone from K6iii/400 on Via with SB16 (DOS 6.22 & OS/2 to Slot A Athlon 600 on AMD 750 with CMI8330 6.22 & Win98 onto Athlon XP 462 on AMD 760 and probably a SB Audigy 2 ZS - Win XP 32 😉

Got an Antec Earthwatts EA-500 (Seasonic OEM) and a phat PS1, model SCPH-7002.

Ring... Ring... "click" yes, hello AMD?? Hi ya, I think Jim Keller dropped this on the way back to the lab.... because what is this golden sample Opteron 156!!

Look at this voltage level for a AMD Athlon type CPU @ 3.0ghz, on a 939 socket... like, this is insane... ran all the benchmarks I could throw at it at this voltage.
Stock boot voltage starts around 1.35V - 1.4V... Amazing CPU... Compared to my FX-60 this thing is in a league of its own. The OC room should be HUGE.

I went back to the thrift store that I got the Tecra from last week and I found the missing battery for the laptop! Lucky. I also found two retro PCgames. Age of empires 3 collectors edition and A bridge too far. all complete in box
Here is the battery

First I got a Yamaha SW60XG. Sounds amazing but IC16 (circled) gets really hot. I would appreciate if anyone could check if their card behaves the same!

And also a boxed AGP Sparkle 6600GT. This was more of nostalgia reasons then performance. Going to pair it with a Sempron 2400+ VIA KM400.

Didn't sound right. I'd be checking voltages and resistances.

Law212 wrote on 2024-08-14, 00:09:

I went back to the thrift store that I got the Tecra from last week and I found the missing battery for the laptop! Lucky. I als […]
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I went back to the thrift store that I got the Tecra from last week and I found the missing battery for the laptop! Lucky. I also found two retro PCgames. Age of empires 3 collectors edition and A bridge too far. all complete in box
Here is the battery

Yay! That was lucky, my hit rate for "finding stuff that should have been with the thing I bought yesterday" from thrifts is about 10%

Bought a pair of Gigabyte GA-6R7 Rev 1.7 slotkets. They should be able to modify for dual Coppermine operation, so my P2B-DS can finally have its 2x1100MHz P3s 😁

I'm thinking of buying my first retro laptop but i'm not experienced with them, i'm really good at complex repairs and modding (i did my own 3ds capture card mod in 2 hours)
How dire is the situation for this screen? and what about replacements?

Hard to tell, but it looks like the plastic has aged?

If yes, then it's likely a thin layer of oxide which can be removed just like old car paint.
Yup. Cut and polish. Turtlewax and the like.
It will probably ruin any anti glare coating if it had it.

I need to stay off ebay. Added another modem to my collection.