A bit of a necro, but I don't think it's worth opening a new topic for it. This week I picked up a Mad Max BD box set. One that only has the original 3 movies
And just finished Road Warrior. I don't think I've seen it this century. There is an even bigger difference between this and Fury Road than I remembered. A lot more bare bones, yet somehow it still hits harder. Also, it made me want to play Fallout 2 again 😁
I went though a phase there were I was buying and watching 70s movies. One was "close encounters of the third kind" which I had not seem since I was a kid
I will have to say most of my movies are from the 80s and 90s
And by the way - physical media forever
A bit of a necro, but I don't think it's worth opening a new topic for it. This week I picked up a Mad Max BD box set. One that only has the original 3 movies
And just finished Road Warrior. I don't think I've seen it this century. There is an even bigger difference between this and Fury Road than I remembered. A lot more bare bones, yet somehow it still hits harder. Also, it made me want to play Fallout 2 again 😁
One thing that adds to the atmosphere of Road Warrior is how authentically filthy the characters look. One could almost smell them through the screen. Fury Road takes place in a different context where society has adapted to the context and, IMHO, that takes something away from the dystopian bleakness that Road Warrior conveys.
A bit of a necro, but I don't think it's worth opening a new topic for it. This week I picked up a Mad Max BD box set. One that only has the original 3 movies
And just finished Road Warrior. I don't think I've seen it this century. There is an even bigger difference between this and Fury Road than I remembered. A lot more bare bones, yet somehow it still hits harder. Also, it made me want to play Fallout 2 again 😁
One thing that adds to the atmosphere of Road Warrior is how authentically filthy the characters look. One could almost smell them through the screen.
Yeah, one thing I noticed a long time ago how authentically filthy characters are in old movies. In recent ones filth looks like makeup intentionally put on them. Which it is, but it isn't supposed to look that way.
A bit of a necro, but I don't think it's worth opening a new topic for it. This week I picked up a Mad Max BD box set. One that only has the original 3 movies
And just finished Road Warrior. I don't think I've seen it this century. There is an even bigger difference between this and Fury Road than I remembered. A lot more bare bones, yet somehow it still hits harder. Also, it made me want to play Fallout 2 again 😁
One thing that adds to the atmosphere of Road Warrior is how authentically filthy the characters look. One could almost smell them through the screen.
Yeah, one thing I noticed a long time ago how authentically filthy characters are in old movies. In recent ones filth looks like makeup intentionally put on them. Which it is, but it isn't supposed to look that way.
My gut feeling is that the lack of realism, in at least some cases, is possibly intentional with the intent being to convey filthiness/lack of hygiene while not making it look so realistic that some moviegoers would find it too offputting. I dare hope makeup was being used for this, even back then (imagine the set if actors and extras actually did not bathe for a week our two, wore the same clothes and rolled around in actual filth, a bit too "method" for my taste). I also doubt that makeup techniques have gotten worse over the years.
It just though a guess the movie/game quote thread might be fun.
Come to think of it, a Scene It! type game around computer/video games (retro or otherwise) might be cool too.
I don't think I know anyone who hated old movies as such. People I know or knew who came of age in the 1930s-50s (some have passed on) were not film buffs, and seem to love(d) the old musicals and comedies and possibly a others - the rest they can take or leave, and certainly a lot of what is now regarded as classic cinema never got much traction. Not sure that really says much though.
The other thing I wanted to say was that although (my opinion) there's a lot of dross being made now with poor acting, bad scripts and hopeless direction, that's always been the case.
To some extent we probably like the movies of our youth in the we like other things of our youth. The ratio or good-bad films is about the same as ever.
One thing i notice though, if i watch a film now it feels different to a 1994 film - but not as different as watching a new film in 1994 and comparing to a 1964 film. I think that isn't just me, but to do with the maturity of film making, the tech and so forth. there was more change in the first decades than later
one aspect of watching even fairly mediocre movies of the past i really like is seeing the background, the street scenes and cars, the details in the location and even some familiar faces of the time. Sometimes i enjoy those things in an older film more than the 'film' as a sotry, same goes a lot of TV.
I suppose the next big changes might be holograms, interactivity, use of VR and so on, on top of partly then maybe totally generated movies.
To some extent we probably like the movies of our youth in the we like other things of our youth.
Nostalgia is a strong drive to watch and like old movies, but not the only one. I think I'm one of the younger members on this site and most of my favorite movies released years and decades before I was born and for many of them, I haven't seen when I was a kid/teen or grew to appreciate much later. A Clockwork Orange is possibly may absolute favorite movie, it released ~20 years before I was born and haven't seen it until I was 25 (if not a year or two older).
Clockwork Orange was released when I was a kid, I don't think I saw it until at least 20 years later. I was really amazed to watch Kubrick's other films, still got a few to go. Also like Cronenberg's output, from Rabid and Shivers back in the 80s through Existenz, Naked Lunch and Crash to History of Violence (I've seen a few more but nothing more recent yet). David Lynch is another I tend to look for, and Shinya Tsukamoto.
Not really a film buff, but it's useful to have people who's vision means something to you. Morricone would be another I'd seek out. Scorsese might be another, but his subject matter isn't what I often want to watch.
Clockwork Orange was difficult to watch in Britain because it was banned from broadcast and sale until 1999, when Kubrick died.
As I recall, he banned it from distribution in Britain after someone threatened his family. (He lived in England).
I had a 1990s French VHS tape (subtitles not dubbed) which I bought in France when I went there on holiday. Otherwise I would never have been able to watch it.
I feel somewhat similar about recent movies. There are very few I enjoy from the last 10 or so years. Most of them are just 3hrs long CGI noise with fundamental writing issues. And not just the comic book movies. Also a lot of the now popular actors just lack charisma compared to stars from the stars of the 60s to 90s.
The last 25 years have had an over-reliance on good special effects for the era over decent acting and script writing/story telling.
Old movies you really only had the script, actors, set pieces and special effects were stuck in the practical realm which required much more imagination and precision.
That means many old movies must have decent acting, music and script. Old actors were almost Always pros at dance, singing and sometimes even play/theater which usually meant they were not novices.
since they had really nothing else available for awe and spectacle in the old days.
This doesn’t mean that there weren’t an incredibly large number of bad pure cheese movies, but those are either forgotten or meme material to watch with an MST3k joke track.
Remember some of us enjoy really bad movies including even those from the 80’s/90’s. They are usually more enjoyable with a friend and an alcoholic beverage
rmay635703wrote on 2024-09-17, 04:30:The last 25 years have had an over-reliance on good special effects for the era over decent acting and script writing/story tell […] Show full quote
The last 25 years have had an over-reliance on good special effects for the era over decent acting and script writing/story telling.
Old movies you really only had the script, actors, set pieces and special effects were stuck in the practical realm which required much more imagination and precision.
That means many old movies must have decent acting, music and script. Old actors were almost Always pros at dance, singing and sometimes even play/theater which usually meant they were not novices.
since they had really nothing else available for awe and spectacle in the old days.
This doesn’t mean that there weren’t an incredibly large number of bad pure cheese movies, but those are either forgotten or meme material to watch with an MST3k joke track.
Remember some of us enjoy really bad movies including even those from the 80’s/90’s. They are usually more enjoyable with a friend and an alcoholic beverage
quite a few old movies have performances that are very 'theatre-like' and not very natural. Its not a bad thing, but that's one of the changes in cinema. it depends on which film of course.
back in the 90's and before seeing movies from outside of the hollywood and euro-centric sphere was relatively rare, now we can see what great cinema s korea produces, for instance, among others
effects have improved largely due to cgi - some younger folk laugh at the "driving a car" scenes in older films where its clearly a moving background! I dont think anyone actually believed it even then though, the idea was to impart "the character is driving" rather than be lifelike. Sometimes criticisms of older effects seem misplaced for those reasons.
One thing i prefer from older films is car chases, i'm not keen on the over the top physics defying stuff that has been in more recent movies. I like the french connection, the driver, bullit stype chase, grittier and more 'as it would be'
For a lot of films practical and special effect aged very well. Even some early CG are perfectly okay today, though back then it was used sparingly because it was expensive and took a long time. When it was used excessively, it did look shit even for the time. Some mid-to-late 90's and early 00's movies are guilty of that.
I remember a video put together about the directors discussing scenes from Terminator 2 and Dark Fate. Something along the lines of T2: "You see that helicopter flying under a highway overpass? That's a helicopter flying under a highway overpass." while a Dark Fate car chase scene: "This is CG, that is CG, that is also CG, you see that car, it's actually not there."
gerrywrote on 2024-09-17, 12:29:quite a few old movies have performances that are very 'theatre-like' and not very natural. Its not a bad thing, but that's on […] Show full quote
rmay635703wrote on 2024-09-17, 04:30:The last 25 years have had an over-reliance on good special effects for the era over decent acting and script writing/story tell […] Show full quote
The last 25 years have had an over-reliance on good special effects for the era over decent acting and script writing/story telling.
Old movies you really only had the script, actors, set pieces and special effects were stuck in the practical realm which required much more imagination and precision.
That means many old movies must have decent acting, music and script. Old actors were almost Always pros at dance, singing and sometimes even play/theater which usually meant they were not novices.
since they had really nothing else available for awe and spectacle in the old days.
This doesn’t mean that there weren’t an incredibly large number of bad pure cheese movies, but those are either forgotten or meme material to watch with an MST3k joke track.
Remember some of us enjoy really bad movies including even those from the 80’s/90’s. They are usually more enjoyable with a friend and an alcoholic beverage
quite a few old movies have performances that are very 'theatre-like' and not very natural. Its not a bad thing, but that's one of the changes in cinema. it depends on which film of course.
back in the 90's and before seeing movies from outside of the hollywood and euro-centric sphere was relatively rare, now we can see what great cinema s korea produces, for instance, among others
effects have improved largely due to cgi - some younger folk laugh at the "driving a car" scenes in older films where its clearly a moving background! I dont think anyone actually believed it even then though, the idea was to impart "the character is driving" rather than be lifelike. Sometimes criticisms of older effects seem misplaced for those reasons.
One thing i prefer from older films is car chases, i'm not keen on the over the top physics defying stuff that has been in more recent movies. I like the french connection, the driver, bullit stype chase, grittier and more 'as it would be'
I doubt anyone meant for a musical to be completely realistic.
It was fantasy and entertainment to tell a story.
Recently there seems to be a fair number of popular actors that have more performances at a Jr High level of professionalism than you would expect, typecasting is still alive and well (when the actor actually is just like the character)
That isn’t always entirely on the actor as some scripts are pretty bad with forced artificial drama that disrespects the audience’s intelligence.
but actors that can add respectable emotion and realism to a role seem to be getting more rare.
As a demerit to old stuff is that many old movies are very long and boring due to very different pacing and drawn out set pieces.
A modern audience myself included may enjoy those films if given a chance but generally I click off as I’ve been overexposed to continuous action trash, it’s sometimes painfully hard to get into the old movie far enough to develop an interest.
Many older films require much more patience and time to enjoy.
