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Reply 54500 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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Cool card.

Whenever I see those big clear coolers though, I get weird thoughts about getting a dead one and starting an ant farm in it 🤣 .... got two unemployed HD3450 with them but those aren't very big.

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Reply 54501 of 56707, by Wes1262

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-27, 15:21:
Been chasing this one for about a year and a half.. Finally caught one for a bargain price(Under $50.)Not amazingly rare but ki […]
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Been chasing this one for about a year and a half.. Finally caught one for a bargain price(Under $50.)Not amazingly rare but kinda hard to find in good working condition, with the platinum designation.

Presenting the ATI X850XT PE AGP

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Been trying to find one as well. I have no idea why they are so rare given these used to be so common back in the day. Maybe not the PE but the XT was pretty popular but it's rare as well. Nice find. Also in great conditions. Ebay?

Reply 54502 of 56707, by AGP4LIfe?

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Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-27, 16:34:
AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-27, 15:21:
Been chasing this one for about a year and a half.. Finally caught one for a bargain price(Under $50.)Not amazingly rare but ki […]
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Been chasing this one for about a year and a half.. Finally caught one for a bargain price(Under $50.)Not amazingly rare but kinda hard to find in good working condition, with the platinum designation.

Presenting the ATI X850XT PE AGP

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Been trying to find one as well. I have no idea why they are so rare given these used to be so common back in the day. Maybe not the PE but the XT was pretty popular but it's rare as well. Nice find. Also in great conditions. Ebay?

Yea I have seen a decent amount of regular X850XT's although at high prices. the Platinum Editions seem to be few and far between. Nope local purchase, no bay this time.

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Reply 54503 of 56707, by AGP4LIfe?

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-27, 16:19:

Cool card.

Whenever I see those big clear coolers though, I get weird thoughts about getting a dead one and starting an ant farm in it 🤣 .... got two unemployed HD3450 with them but those aren't very big.

Lol actually an interesting idea 😂

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Reply 54504 of 56707, by Trashbytes

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It was expensive as hell for an AGP card and its also a native PCIe chip so most AGP cards also needed a bridge chip, similar things happened with the transition cards for nVidia too. The 6800 Ultra PCIe card is easier to get than the AGP version which wasn't made in huge quantities. There were native AGP X850 cards and yours is one of them . .so look after it ! I have one with the bridge chip on it and it can be a bit flaky when that chip gets hot, I also have the PCIe version and I find it to be a better card overall.

They really did want you to buy the PCIe version and upgrade so the AGP ones are uncommon and for the ones with the bridge chips they had a habit of dying due to the bridge chips not having sufficient cooling.

You have a nice one there being native AGP, would love to see it benched against a 6800 Ultra.

Reply 54505 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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Took a field trip to a Ham Fleamarket... most disappointing for a couple of years... I got a few bits and pieces. The tables that were there weren't all that packed with Ham stuff even, compared to some. It was also a little odd that it was quite skewed to antique and pre-90s kind of gear, which seemed to be dying off in others I've been to in last couple of years. Very few components to pick through, for stocking up repair parts, little test equipment, some high priced very niche things. Almost completely devoid of computer stuff, apart from a few keyboards and the bits I found. Often there's hardware I just don't want/need at the time, and even that wasn't the case. I think what happened though, is that two more fleamarkets were on this Saturday, one a few hundred miles one way, one a few hundred down in the US... they sound a bit far away, but I think the catchment areas overlap such that 15% of shoppers and vendors went to one and another 15% to the other. Rain may have kept some home too, though it was indoor.

Anyway, what I ended up with, junkbox finds were two A/B switchboxes, 9 pin, hoping they work for TTL video, will have to check how they are wired, if they are "serial" switchboxes they might only have 5 pins switched. Also a HD6350, another one of those card for ppl who find the full throbbing power of a 6450 too much 🤣 I might have left the thing but dude had discounted the bundle so I was getting it for 50c or something, I wonder if I've got enough cedar cards for 4 way crossfire yet 🤣 Got two free floppy boxes with some disks, the dark red Dysan 10 capacity ones, I like those, got a few. Then secret stuff, they'll appear when they appear on a project, two small speaker grilles that are raypunk/dieselpunk/fallout-ish

The "big" purchases, first was another USB hard drive adapter with PATA 2.5 and 3.5 and SATA on it. One of the ones I have got I have discovered is very flaky. The other one I hate disconnecting from a given machine as though it appears 100% reliable, it had a hard life previous and seems mechanically delicate, so that one is only partially useful. Hopefully this one will be all the way useful, it looks a bit better quality. Secondly a "console" project case, shelfworn, but got it for a steal due to that I think, these can easily be $50 up. It is about the footprint of a 17" laptop, and 3" at back, 1" at front... pondering 80s themed build on/in it. A "wedge" keyboard computer, unsure at the moment how new or old to go with the guts. mATX or ITX near modern and emulators, mATX win98ish, mATX earlier DOS Tandy tribute. CP/M or 8 bit... Damn that will make 4 custom enclosure builds in planning and two I haven't pushed across the finish line yet, better start planning to live another 2 decades 'coz I'm slow as shit.

That's it for the fleamarket, but that's not everywhere I went today... more to follow later.

Edit: Weirder thought about that console enclosure. I have one more s754 board than I have plans for, and the Athlon 64 3000s run at just 35W so can use a compact HSF... I wonder if either have decent enough graphics for up to 2k games and amiga emulation.

EditII: Switchboxes, took a peek, 6 pins are definitely switched, one of the pushbuttons is longer than the other, and the other 3 seem taken to that, so not sure if it's a double throw thing, or whether they're just getting commoned there. Might have to bleep it because can't see what contacts are being made.

Yeah, think it's a Via Unichrome in a K8N800 which would be the 754 board kicking around. Though it's got PCIe, so I could fold a low power GPU over on a riser, maybe get me back to finding out if that 6600LE Mac card can be flashed to intel, and have infs modded for 98, because then it's decent late 98 stuff/early XP too, and glide wrapper.

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Reply 54506 of 56707, by Major Jackyl

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Reply 54507 of 56707, by zuldan

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-28, 21:43:

the dark red Dysan 10 capacity ones, I like those, got a few. Then secret stuff, they'll appear when they appear on a project, two small speaker grilles that are raypunk/dieselpunk/fallout-ish

This wouldn't happen to be the box? I used to use them as a kid to store my disks. I managed to find some on eBay for cheap.

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Reply 54508 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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Those are the ones. I have a few with the gold rosette on, some without.

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Reply 54509 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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So this is what happened later. Marketplace deal for an EGA monitor. Packard Bell "Enhanced Color Graphic Display" PB1431EG. I was expecting it to be a little smaller, since many CRT that got called 14" were more like 12 and change. It is nearly as large as my IBM P70 Trinitron, but not near as heavy.

The power cord is toast and I need to replace it. I am wondering about putting a "mickey mouse socket" in there. [o*o]

I cannot find many details about it online. I had seen one ad where they said it did both CGA and EGA, differentiating the EGA only by leaving the word color out of the name. But I don't know. This site says it does CGA too https://choiceprinters.com/video/TTL/PACKARD_ … L_PB1431EG.html and that I overpaid a little (Hey Ensign Nemo, read that page carefully)

Anyhoo, plan is for it to be a match to my PB 286/12 and also to get hooked up to other stuff to try, I have the badge brother of the VX88, also made by Samsung I think, which I will give it a whirl on when I am sufficiently assured CGA won't blow it up. Round the back it even has a text button which I guess turns output mono, though I don't know which color and don't know if that means it will take herc/mda too.

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Reply 54510 of 56707, by Shponglefan

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-28, 23:58:
So this is what happened later. Marketplace deal for an EGA monitor. Packard Bell "Enhanced Color Graphic Display" PB1431EG. I w […]
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So this is what happened later. Marketplace deal for an EGA monitor. Packard Bell "Enhanced Color Graphic Display" PB1431EG. I was expecting it to be a little smaller, since many CRT that got called 14" were more like 12 and change. It is nearly as large as my IBM P70 Trinitron, but not near as heavy.

The power cord is toast and I need to replace it. I am wondering about putting a "mickey mouse socket" in there. [o*o]

I cannot find many details about it online. I had seen one ad where they said it did both CGA and EGA, differentiating the EGA only by leaving the word color out of the name. But I don't know. This site says it does CGA too https://choiceprinters.com/video/TTL/PACKARD_ … L_PB1431EG.html and that I overpaid a little (Hey Ensign Nemo, read that page carefully)

Anyhoo, plan is for it to be a match to my PB 286/12 and also to get hooked up to other stuff to try, I have the badge brother of the VX88, also made by Samsung I think, which I will give it a whirl on when I am sufficiently assured CGA won't blow it up. Round the back it even has a text button which I guess turns output mono, though I don't know which color and don't know if that means it will take herc/mda too.

Nice find! I have that same monitor.

I can confirm it will do CGA, but not Hercules/MDA. The monochrome switch on the back just makes the output look monochrome green.

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Reply 54511 of 56707, by AGP4LIfe?

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A couple more Video card pickups, a gainward 5700 Ultra GS and a 3.3ns ram Radeon 8500 64MB...

The 5700U was purchased from the Bay as dead, but works just fine ,😂 for 27$.
The Radeon 8500 64MB which I thought was a steel at just under 45$, but turned out to be 250Mhz core and 275 Mhz Ram, which seems odd given it's a full 8500 and not the "LE" version 😑.

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Reply 54512 of 56707, by Trashbytes

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-29, 01:13:

A couple more Video card pickups, a gainward 5700 Ultra GS and a 3.3ns ram Radeon 8500 64MB...

The 5700U was purchased from the Bay as dead, but works just fine ,😂 for 27$.
The Radeon 8500 64MB which I thought was a steel at just under 45$, but turned out to be 250Mhz core and 275 Mhz Ram, which seems odd given it's a full 8500 and not the "LE" version 😑.

Its missing the small square chip next to the cooler so its not a full 8500, perhaps its one of their cheaper models mislabeled ?

That core/Vram speed is odd too ...LE version is 250/250 tho there were some with faster 3.3ns ram at 275.. might be one of these models. .. might be worth OCing the core to 275, if its stable BIOS mod it with a full 8500 bios.

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Reply 54513 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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Shponglefan wrote on 2024-09-29, 00:19:
Nice find! I have that same monitor. […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-28, 23:58:
So this is what happened later. Marketplace deal for an EGA monitor. Packard Bell "Enhanced Color Graphic Display" PB1431EG. I w […]
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So this is what happened later. Marketplace deal for an EGA monitor. Packard Bell "Enhanced Color Graphic Display" PB1431EG. I was expecting it to be a little smaller, since many CRT that got called 14" were more like 12 and change. It is nearly as large as my IBM P70 Trinitron, but not near as heavy.

The power cord is toast and I need to replace it. I am wondering about putting a "mickey mouse socket" in there. [o*o]

I cannot find many details about it online. I had seen one ad where they said it did both CGA and EGA, differentiating the EGA only by leaving the word color out of the name. But I don't know. This site says it does CGA too https://choiceprinters.com/video/TTL/PACKARD_ … L_PB1431EG.html and that I overpaid a little (Hey Ensign Nemo, read that page carefully)

Anyhoo, plan is for it to be a match to my PB 286/12 and also to get hooked up to other stuff to try, I have the badge brother of the VX88, also made by Samsung I think, which I will give it a whirl on when I am sufficiently assured CGA won't blow it up. Round the back it even has a text button which I guess turns output mono, though I don't know which color and don't know if that means it will take herc/mda too.

Nice find! I have that same monitor.

I can confirm it will do CGA, but not Hercules/MDA. The monochrome switch on the back just makes the output look monochrome green.

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Thanks very much. Hmmm might fix the cord tomorrow and then try the Turbo XT on it then. (PB 286 needs a PSU rebuild)

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Reply 54514 of 56707, by Wes1262

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So the 2900XT 1gb I bought, a very rare card as you know, doesn't actually work. "Refurbished" they said.... but it wasn't tested at all, evidently. I get artifacts when I install the drivers.
It can't be that it was damaged during transport because the package was very good. Did the usual cleaning, tested on two systems, even reinstalled Windows in case I had old drivers interfering... nope.
It has a very fixed artifact like a large stripe in the middle of the screen. Probably memory?
I am so pissed. The card has some actual physical damage too. One of the DVI ports has a snapped standoff (you can see in the pic), and the whole DVI structure is like slightly bent. I think it fell. I hate when sellers "test stuff" in the bios only.

Reply 54515 of 56707, by myne

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Contact seller with pictures
See what they say

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Reply 54516 of 56707, by BitWrangler

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That sucks. Also check if the platform you bought it from has a definition of refurbished, and whether that includes, dirty, physically damaged and faulty.

Challenged some seller about their descriptions in the past prior to buying and they come back with shit like "They're just the words you say, it's not like they mean anything." assclowns.

Speaking of assclowns you shouldn't buy a GPU from, saw one recently, seller asserts that he installed newest drivers TO it, and they come ON it.

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Reply 54517 of 56707, by fosterwj03

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I feel the same way. The GTX 480 I mentioned earlier in the thread posted fine on the first boot. It shorted out as soon as Windows began to load with pre-installed drivers. A single test in Windows 7 would have found the fault before listing the item for sale (of course, this fault might have damaged the seller's equipment like it did mine).

Reply 54518 of 56707, by Wes1262

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Spent 5 days on the thing. Not at all how I wanted to spend my free time this week.

My guess is that testing is too time expensive to them and they basically let the buyers do it and refund immediately in case of problems. I've received cards sold as working and tested that were actually impossible to be functioning, like a 3870 without a backplate. The heatsink either wasnt holding the card tight enough or it was bending it like a banana. I couldn't find a sweet spot until I found a replacement backplate that finally could hold the heatsink properly. Basically they didn't even try to load Windows... they did bios at best. When I contacted the seller about it, they just refunded immediately without me even asking.

Sums up my experience with retrocomputer sellers on ebay. And they are extremely unpleasant too. I've had one snap at me yesterday just for asking for better photos. I used 10 words... like "Hello! Would it be possible to have some better photos?", that's it, and legitimately too, because the photos were trash, and he snapped a me 🤷

Much better with local listings. People are happy to give their old hardware to people that is happy to receive it. Fair prices, never any drama. Better packages too.

Reply 54519 of 56707, by PcBytes

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Nothing interesting today... ECS KT600-A w/ a Sempron 2600+ and two RAM sticks.

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